I think formatting it for display brings the timezone into play, but I am not sure. And not, mutable is not good for EOF.
On Oct 1, 2010, at 10:29 AM, Ramsey Gurley wrote: > My understanding of the GregorianCalendar class is that unlike Date, it > stores the gregorian units as the fixed value and the value of getTime is > calculated based on the units and the time zone. So it doesn't matter if you > set the timezone to Fiji time or PST, it will still tell you 12/31/2010 @ > 2:00 pm. It only computes the gregorian units if you setTime. Perhaps I'm > wrong about that... but it does bring up the problem of mutable data types... > > Ramsey > > > > On Oct 1, 2010, at 12:58 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: > >> The problem is that GregorianCalendar still has a time zone which is what >> most people seem to want to avoid with date only values. Otherwise, really, >> you need a geographically referenced point in time. >> >> >> >> On Oct 1, 2010, at 9:00 AM, Ramsey Gurley wrote: >> >>> >>> On Oct 1, 2010, at 11:33 AM, Ray Kiddy wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> On Sep 30, 2010, at 12:12 PM, Mike Schrag wrote: >>>> >>>>>>>>> Calendar dates should not be represented by NSTimestamp. The Date >>>>>>>>> prototype is wrong for using it IMHO. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> i couldn't agree more. but where do we go from here ? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1) leave the mysql date prototype as it is now, broken and unusable >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If it is broken, then either no one is using it, or they are using it >>>>>>> in a way that your change would break. >>>>>> >>>>>> We should have unit tests for testing things like that, on most popular >>>>>> databases (MySQL, PostgreSQL, FrontBase, H2 and Oracle DB Express). >>>> >>>>> i think i heard a volunteer! >>>>> >>>>> ms _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> There is a place to start. I created an example app called TickTockMan. It >>>> is in Wonder, so it could be added to. When I created it, the response was >>>> deafening. Or I assume it was, because I found myself to be deaf. Or there >>>> was silence. One of those. >>>> >>>> And lots of people have talked, over the years, about a >>>> NSWallClockTime/Date class, one that could capture the situation where I >>>> look at the clock and see a "2:00" and I want to discuss it with someone >>>> else who can look at another clock, regardless of what time zone they are >>>> in. Does anyone already have code for that they are planning to check in >>>> to Wonder? I have a class, but I am sure others will find it quirky. >>>> >>>> - ray >>> >>> I have every intention of creating a calendarDate prototype as soon as I >>> figure out how to interact with it in the UI. It will probably be >>> something like >>> >>> GregorianCalendar->ERXGregorianCalendar (Subclassed to supply factory >>> methods) >>> & >>> SimpleDateFormat->ERXCalendarFormat (Subclass to translate date strings >>> entered into an ERXGregorianCalendar) >>> & >>> calendarDate prototype with an external type like dateTime to store the >>> data in a way the database can compare. I assume that means it will be >>> normalized to a constant time zone like GMT. >>> >>> And I may make another based on XMLGregorianCalendar for those of us >>> working with JAX-WS web services... But if someone wants to build and test >>> all that for me, I'll welcome it (^_~) >>> >>> Ramsey >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40global-village.net >>> >>> This email sent to ch...@global-village.net >> >> -- >> Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development >> >> Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall >> knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. >> http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects
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