On May 6, 2011, at 8:56 AM, Kieran Kelleher wrote: > We always welcome WebObjects beginners. > > The only advice I can give though with regards getting help is: > > 1) Always prefer to ask the list for help (Reply All) rather than emailing > individuals privately - the crowd of brains is always better than one, > possibly crazy busy, person :-) > > 2) Don't be shy about asking. This community is very willing to help in > general. We all were beginners at one time, although David Avendasora has > been struggling for years to get past asking stupid questions ;-)
Yeah, there is one in every class. > 3) Ask questions in as clear as possible a fashion. e.g. not like David Avendasora :-P > > 4) Use latest Project Wonder from the start. It *will* make your life easier > and it **will** allow you to learn by example by looking at WOComponents and > source code in ERExtensions. > http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence/display/WONDER/Getting+the+Wonder+Source+Code > > 5) Buy Practical WebObjects and study chapters 2, 3, 5, 6 and 7 ASAP to > understand core concepts. Once you got concepts right in your brain, > WebObjects is easy. > > 6) make sure you know basics of HTML, CSS, Java, Java Design Patterns (see > Head First Design Patterns book) along with a sprinkling of unix CLI, > javascript, ant, and a few other common technologies I cannot remember right > now. > > Study, code, try stuff, study, code, try stuff, etc. > > Regards, > > K > > > > On May 6, 2011, at 10:58 AM, Kevin Spake wrote: > >> Thanks to all for their suggestions. I'm going to keep at it. You may regret >> inviting me to hang around! >> >> Kevin >> >> >> --- On Fri, 5/6/11, Kieran Kelleher <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> From: Kieran Kelleher <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: InOverMyHead {"obviously"}; >> To: "Kevin Spake" <[email protected]> >> Cc: [email protected] >> Date: Friday, May 6, 2011, 3:33 AM >> >> Use the Getting Started Screencasts here: >> >> http://www.wocommunity.org/webobjects_screencasts.html >> >> Once you get your head around concepts of WO, it is easy - and, by all >> accounts, it is apparently more productive and more powerful than many of >> the popular java web enterprise frameworks. >> >> The development tools have progressed madly (in a good way) for many years, >> hence why it is easy to find out of date documentation when it comes to >> development tools. >> >> Any documentation related to WebObjects frameworks themselves (from a Java >> perspective) will be pretty accurate since progress on the framework side of >> things has been taking place in Project Wonder (large open source frameworks >> that extend the functionality of the core WebObjects frameworks) >> >> Practical WebObjects (search Amazon) is probably the best book out there, >> but it is geared towards intermediate users rather than beginners. >> Nevertheless, it teaches you the ESSENTIAL concepts that will help you blow >> past the initial WebObjects learning curve. >> >> So, focus on the screencasts and the wiki and don't be shy to ask for help >> here on this mailing list. (yes, this is *THE* mailing list for WebObjects) >> >> The two best starting places to look for up to date info on WebObjects are >> >> http://www.wocommunity.org/ >> >> and >> >> http://wiki.objectstyle.org/ >> >> >> >> >> >> On May 6, 2011, at 12:47 AM, Kevin Spake wrote: >> >>> Subject says it all. >>> >>> I took a java programming class years ago. I did not continue with it. >>> Since then, my only programming experience has been with Realbasic, and >>> that too was years ago. Now, I've decided to jump into webobjects. I have >>> eclipse and WO 543 on intel mac. I can run a simple "hello world" program. >>> >>> As I try to do the beginner tutorial here: >>> http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence/display/WO/Hello+World+-+Your+First+WebObjects+Application >>> I find myself stuck. The instructions say: "So, to add a variable to keep >>> track of our visitors name, click on the 'Interface' menu bar item and >>> select 'Add Key...'." >>> >>> I have no "interface menu bar item". I can't find it anywhere, nor can I >>> find any instructions on how to add a variable. Do I just type it in? Is >>> there a resource for total newbs using current WO implementation, or is it >>> an 'idiots need not apply' type of thing? >>> >>> If this is the wrong mailing list, my apologies. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Kevin >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>> Webobjects-dev mailing list ([email protected]) >>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kelleherk%40gmail.com >>> >>> This email sent to [email protected] >> > > _______________________________________________ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list ([email protected]) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40global-village.net > > This email sent to [email protected] -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Come to WOWODC this July for unparalleled WO learning opportunities and real peer to peer problem solving! Network, socialize, and enjoy a great cosmopolitan city. See you there! http://www.wocommunity.org/wowodc11/
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