Hi list, I think it is a very good idea to write a book about legacy WebObjects. It would be great to capture how easy it worked compared to this eclipse/wonder stuff. It would be even nicer if everyone one the list could participate in describing how an updated WO 2012 à la Apple would look like: - added support for new databases - integration with iOS app development (deploy WOA on iOS) - Jquery mobile kind of support like the framework Ken wrote, but integrated in an app like WO builder - New HTML editor in WO builder - integration with Netbeans / glassfish server for deployment - more?
In other words: which architecture would be used for WO 6.0? Cheers, Bart On 9 Jun 2012, at 21:00, [email protected] wrote: > Send Webobjects-dev mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.apple.com/mailman/listinfo/webobjects-dev > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Webobjects-dev digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: I am going to write a WO book (Lon Varscsak) > 2. Re: Custom Entity Classes (Chuck Hill) > 3. ERAttachment and _dbupdater do not agree in Wonder > integration? (Johan Henselmans) > 4. Creating Wonder D2W Application using WOLips without > ERModernLook? (Farrukh Ijaz) > 5. Re: Creating Wonder D2W Application using WOLips without > ERModernLook? (David Holt) > 6. Re: Creating Wonder D2W Application using WOLips without > ERModernLook? (Farrukh Ijaz) > 7. Re: I am going to write a WO book (James Cicenia) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2012 12:35:23 -0700 > From: Lon Varscsak <[email protected]> > To: WebObjects Apple Dev <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: I am going to write a WO book > Message-ID: > <calaw18wie2qdzquh7u0vfv77j-qepq5vomdo5yhcd3cysqp...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > I felt left out. :P +1 > > Long live WOnder! > > On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Kieran Kelleher <[email protected]> wrote: >> +1. >> >> On Jun 8, 2012, at 1:16 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: >> >>> +1 >>> >>> There is no sense in writing a pure WO app these days, IMO. >>> >>> >>> On 2012-06-08, at 9:55 AM, Pascal Robert wrote: >>> >>>> +1 >>>> >>>>> Aren't pure Apple WO apps dead aside from legacy? >>>>> >>>>> IMO wonder is the ONLY option to learn new. >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Do not post admin requests to the list. 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They will be ignored. >> Webobjects-dev mailing list ([email protected]) >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/lon.varscsak%40gmail.com >> >> This email sent to [email protected] > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2012 17:34:25 -0700 > From: Chuck Hill <[email protected]> > To: doug andrews <[email protected]> > Cc: WebObjects-Dev Mailing List List <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: Custom Entity Classes > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi Doug, > > > On 2012-06-08, at 9:35 AM, doug andrews wrote: > >> Most of my entities are of class EOGenericRecord. >> I do have a few custom entity classes that extend EOGenericRecord. > > Either your app is really simple, or you are doing it wrong. :-) > > >> Sometimes, not always, the accessor methods for the "to one" relationships >> return null, even though I know the relationship exists. This usually only >> occurs when the app has 70 or more sessions running. > > That sounds more like you are breaking EOF commandments and getting EOF state > corruption due to concurrency conflicts. > > >> The code for these custom entities was generated by the old EOModeler app. >> They simply return storedValueForKey. > > That sounds correct. > > >> The foreign key of the relationship is marked as "not null" in the model, >> but the relationship is marked as "optional". I know this is probably >> wrong, but the old EOModeler app let you get away with this, and i'm sure >> stuff would break if i changed it now. >> >> To get the related entity from an EO that is of type EOGenericRecord, I >> simply use valueForKey, and this never seems to return null. Since this >> always works, should my accessor methods in my custom entity classes return >> valueForKey instead of storedValueForKey? Would that fix my problem? > > > No, that will cause infinite recursion as valueForKey will call your accessor > methods which will call valueForKey which will call.... > > > > Chuck > > > -- > Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development > > Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall > knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. > http://www.global-village.net/gvc/practical_webobjects > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: smime.p7s > Type: application/pkcs7-signature > Size: 4893 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > <http://lists.apple.com/archives/webobjects-dev/attachments/20120608/1ad54581/attachment.p7s> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2012 09:19:47 +0200 > From: Johan Henselmans <[email protected]> > To: WebObjects Dev <[email protected]> > Subject: ERAttachment and _dbupdater do not agree in Wonder > integration? > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I am using integration from Wonder and noticed the fix that David Avendasora > has pushed to make sure that cfPath is added to the erattachment table for > the cloudfile extension. > > Unfortunately, I still got errors because cfPath was not created, which > should have been because ERAttachment2.java in migrations of the ERAttachment > Library. > > Looking in _dbupdater, I noticed that ERAttachment was on version 4: > > lockowner | modelname | updatelock | version > | ERAttachment | 0 | 4 > > > Is there any explanation how this version number got updated to 4, while > there is only one migration from ERAttachment? > > (I fixed it by setting the version to 1 via: > update _dbupdater set version = 1 where modelname = 'ERAttachment'; > ) > > Johan Henselmans > [email protected] > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2012 10:37:19 +0300 > From: Farrukh Ijaz <[email protected]> > To: WebObjects Development <[email protected]> > Subject: Creating Wonder D2W Application using WOLips without > ERModernLook? > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hi, > > I was wondering if I could possibly create a Wonder D2W Application using > WOLips without the dependency on ERModernLook? > > Right now ERModernLook seems to be tightly coupled with Wonder D2W > Application and I don't find any option to choose from one of the old looks > and, there is no option in WOLips to create a WebObjects D2W Application > which used to be there in previous versions of WOLips I remember. > > ERModernLook is an excellent D2W framework, I just need a bare D2W > application to test my own look and feel framework. > > Thanks for your advice, > > Farrukh > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2012 06:56:06 -0700 > From: David Holt <[email protected]> > To: Farrukh Ijaz <[email protected]> > Cc: WebObjects Development <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: Creating Wonder D2W Application using WOLips without > ERModernLook? > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII > > I am pretty sure the answer is no. Are you having challenges removing the > Modern Look dependencies? > > Sent from my iPad > > On 2012-06-09, at 12:37 AM, Farrukh Ijaz <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I was wondering if I could possibly create a Wonder D2W Application using >> WOLips without the dependency on ERModernLook? >> >> Right now ERModernLook seems to be tightly coupled with Wonder D2W >> Application and I don't find any option to choose from one of the old looks >> and, there is no option in WOLips to create a WebObjects D2W Application >> which used to be there in previous versions of WOLips I remember. >> >> ERModernLook is an excellent D2W framework, I just need a bare D2W >> application to test my own look and feel framework. >> >> Thanks for your advice, >> >> Farrukh >> _______________________________________________ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> Webobjects-dev mailing list ([email protected]) >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/programmingosx%40mac.com >> >> This email sent to [email protected] > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2012 17:34:00 +0300 > From: Farrukh Ijaz <[email protected]> > To: David Holt <[email protected]> > Cc: WebObjects Development <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: Creating Wonder D2W Application using WOLips without > ERModernLook? > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Thanks David, > > The answer No is a kind of disappointing :( I need to know what areas are > affected with this change so I could remove it completely. I shall figure > that out. I believe it's better if could move it back in WOLips and make > modern look as separate project template. May be we would be able to > contribute our look too :) > > Farrukh > > David Holt <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I am pretty sure the answer is no. Are you having challenges removing the >> Modern Look dependencies? >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On 2012-06-09, at 12:37 AM, Farrukh Ijaz >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I was wondering if I could possibly create a Wonder D2W Application using >>> WOLips without the dependency on ERModernLook? >>> >>> Right now ERModernLook seems to be tightly coupled with Wonder D2W >>> Application and I don't find any option to choose from one of the old looks >>> and, there is no option in WOLips to create a WebObjects D2W Application >>> which used to be there in previous versions of WOLips I remember. >>> >>> ERModernLook is an excellent D2W framework, I just need a bare D2W >>> application to test my own look and feel framework. >>> >>> Thanks for your advice, >>> >>> Farrukh >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>> Webobjects-dev mailing list ([email protected]) >>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/programmingosx%40mac.com >>> >>> This email sent to [email protected] > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2012 09:36:21 -0500 > From: James Cicenia <[email protected]> > To: WebObjects Development <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: I am going to write a WO book > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Have to definitely agree with Wonder. After converting a legacy app, the > difference is amazing. > However, I also learned D2W and believe this best kept secret is still the > best weapon out there > and as such should be documented. > > I don't think I will ever do an app without D2W again especially with the > Modern versions. > > And to create an app with it would document everything else anyway. > > Regards, > James > > On Jun 8, 2012, at 10:07 AM, [email protected] wrote: > >> Hi Markus, >> >> Good for you! Thank you for even thinking about this. >> >> You ask what you should say about WOnder? I'd recommend the following: >> >> 1) Defining what the project is and some history >> >> 2) Show how to integrate it in your app, the pre-requisites. >> >> 3) Leave it at that. >> >> You kind of have to do this. When you are using the modern tools new users >> can make either a "pure Apple" app or a "WOnder App" and they'll be curious. >> You should let them know that WOnder opens the doors to Web 2.0 and much >> more (fixing bugs and issues is also a big part that you get for free). >> Suggest they use it always, even if they don't consciously use pieces from >> it. As they tackle tough problems remind them "Don't forget to dig through >> the WOnder treasure trove and ask questions on the list. More than likely, >> an answer to your problem already awaits!" >> >> Cheers, >> -- Aaron _______________________________________________ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. 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