Le 2012-10-05 à 16:06, Maik Musall <[email protected]> a écrit :

> Hi Dennis,
> 
> Am 05.10.2012 um 21:48 schrieb Gaastra Dennis - WO Lists 
> <[email protected]>:
>> Thank you for your comments. Yes, being partially German myself, I am used 
>> to this tone of "constructive" criticism.
> 
> Good :-)
> 
>>> As Apple doesn't make serious server hardware any more, the primary 
>>> deployment platform is probably not OS X but Linux by now. And I'd rather 
>>> rely on the Linux distribution to give me a proper Apache/SSL/whatever 
>>> compilation that is kept up to date by the distribution maintainers. Or did 
>>> you make a whole package delivery system as well, to seemlessly deliver 
>>> e.g. an OpenSSL update if a vulnerability is published in the version you 
>>> initially packaged?
>> 
>> This is a matter of opinion. We know many shops that deploy on the Mac Os X 
>> Platform and would never even consider Linux, but I do understand that there 
>> are those who prefer an open source platform.
> 
> It's not primarily that. We also have a bunch of Xserves running here, but 
> you can't buy them any more. Mac Pros take too much space in racks (and lack 
> things like redundant power supply), and Mini servers simply aren't up to the 
> task most of the time. And since you can't use OS X Server on other hardware, 
> what choices does that leave us?

http://wiki.wocommunity.org/display/WOCOM/WOCommunity+2012+Organization+Survey

Which platforms are used at your organization/department to DEPLOY WebObjects 
applications?

                                2012    2011    2010
Mac OS X Server 52%     59%     68%
Mac OS X "client"       13%     9%      19%

Yup, it's still the #1 platform for deployment according to the survey… It's 
going down, but it's still number one.

> And if, in your case, you bypass the whole software stack that ships with ML 
> Server anyway, why bother?
> 
>>> And regarding Frontbase, in your other post: who guarantees that 
>>> frontbase.com isn't shut down tomorrow, your server dies the day after and 
>>> there's nobody issueing a new license for your replacement hardware? 
>>> Especially given the lack of activity around the product in recent years, I 
>>> find it rather lightheaded to still rely on this RDBMS in production. And 
>>> don't even get me started on the technical details...
>>> 
>>> Maik
>> Well, sorry, but we like Frontbase! We have been running this database 
>> server since 2006 without any problems, and can configure it any way we 
>> like. If Frontbase were to ever shut down, it would be very easy to switch 
>> to another DB since our code is completely database transparent.
> 
> Well, let's skip this discussion here before it gets dirty... Geert is 
> probably still pissed at me from my arguments a few years ago with him 
> anyway...
> 
> Maik
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