On Wed, 15 Oct 2014 14:20:15 +0200
"Markus Stoll, junidas GmbH" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> where possible, I switched to feature detection using 
> 
> http://modernizr.com
> 
> This depends on a small javascript library running on your page.
> 
> Markus
> 

Apparently someone already thought this was a good library. I knew it
was in wonder somewhere. Of course, everything is, somewhere.

$ find wonder -name modernizr\*
wonder/Examples/Misc/ERWebSocketExample/WebServerResources/js/modernizr-1.7.js
wonder/Examples/Misc/ERWebSocketExample/WebServerResources/js/modernizr-1.7.min.js

- ray


> > Am 15.10.2014 um 05:30 schrieb Paul Hoa
dley <[email protected]>:
> > 
> > Hi David,
> > 
> > On 15 Oct 2014, at 11:25 am, David Holt <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> > 
> >> We're beginning to tackle just this problem. One helpful site is
> >> http://www.whatismybrowser.com and has an API available, but I'm
> >> not sure that it does anything different than you could do in WO.
> >> We use it in a support context to tell people whether they are
> >> running a browser considered out of date and gives instructions
> >> for how to update, turn on JavaScript etc. I've realized since,
> >> though that it is quite laptop/desktop centric since a quick
> >> download will not be the solution to upgrade a browser on mobile
> >> devices. 
> > 
> > Thanks I'll take a look at that.  Google suggests there is at least
> > one Java-based browser sniffing project in what seems like active
> > development, which might be useful:
> > 
> > https://github.com/HaraldWalker/user-agent-utils
> > 
> > Presumably you could write a more modern implementation of
> > ERXBrowser with something like that.
> > 
> >> Another problem we're encountering is the huge variety in
> >> connection speed differences between "modern" devices. Also, since
> >> people are now using USB cel sticks or their mobile devices as
> >> hotspots for laptops, the variety is unpredictable and vast. We
> >> can no longer make the assumptions about connection speed that we
> >> could have even a couple of years ago.
> >> 
> >> Sorry for no solution, but maybe our experience can add fuel to
> >> the fire :)
> > 
> > Definitely.  I really just wanted to know what other people were
> > doing.  I fully understand the philosophical objection to browser
> > sniffing, and the theoretical superiority of client-side capability
> > detection and responsive design, but sometimes you have to solve
> > actual problems in the real world on a limited budget.  In this
> > case, all I want to know is whether the user is probably running a
> > "mobile" browser at the time of their first request.
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Paul Hoadley
> > http://logicsquad.net/

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