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Re: Help on webobjects (HOUNKPONOU Ronald) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2015 16:47:29 -0400 > From: David LeBer <dleber_wo...@codeferous.com> > To: Patrick Robinson <p...@vt.edu> > Cc: "webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com" <webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com> > Subject: Re: Help on webobjects > Message-ID: <b1317ec6-a97c-4984-8c8d-6cd27c68c...@codeferous.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > It looks like there are DNS issues with that domain: > > https://www.whatsmydns.net/#A/learningthewonders.com > <https://www.whatsmydns.net/#A/learningthewonders.com> > > D > >> On Apr 20, 2015, at 4:38 PM, Patrick Robinson <p...@vt.edu> wrote: >> >> Hi Markus, >> >> I was going to suggest to someone that they look at your sample chapters >> (re: installation), but the domain name "learningthewonders.com" doesn't >> seem to be registered. Even worse, the authoritative name servers for the >> domain (ns1.schumi.ch and ns2.rucotec.ch) don't seem to exist, either! Is >> there maybe another location for your online chapters? >> >> - Patrick >> >> >> On Apr 5, 2015, at 9:41 AM, Markus Ruggiero <mailingli...@kataputt.com> >> wrote: >> >>> The first chapters of the book are available online for free. They cover >>> the complete installation of the develop environment on Mac OS X and MS >>> Windows. Download as PDF available from http://learningthewonders.com >>> >>> Have fun with Wonder/WebObjects >>> >>> ---markus--- >>> >>> PS: Full disclouse: I am the author of said book >>> >>>> On 03.04.2015, at 21:28, HOUNKPONOU Ronald <ronald.hounkpo...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Thanks for your help Theodore. >>>> I in West Africa, precisely in Benin. >>>> >>>> 2015-04-03 20:19 GMT+01:00 Theodore Petrosky <tedp...@yahoo.com>: >>>> Here is another recent book. I didn’t see it listed in Ramsey’s reply. >>>> >>>> http://www.amazon.com/Learning-The-Wonders-introduction-applications/dp/3952423300 >>>> >>>> This book gives a wonderful (forgive the pun) example of installation of >>>> the frameworks. >>>> >>>> BTW, where are you? What part of the world? >>>> >>>> Ted >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Apr 3, 2015, at 3:05 PM, Ramsey Gurley <rgur...@smarthealth.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I’m afraid there’s no substitute for lots of reading :) >>>>> >>>>> If I were you, I’d start with David LeBer’s screen casts WebObjects, >>>>> WOLips and Wonder tutorial, part 1 and 2 found here >>>>> >>>>> https://wiki.wocommunity.org/display/WEB/Screencasts >>>>> >>>>> That will give you a gentle introduction to WebObjects. There’s quite a >>>>> lot of documentation to read >>>>> >>>>> https://wiki.wocommunity.org/display/WEB/JavaDoc+and+other+documentation >>>>> >>>>> Unlike other Java solutions, WebObjects is a full stack solution. Whereas >>>>> something like Apache Tapestry only tries to solve html generation issues >>>>> or Apache Cayenne only tries to handle database issues or Jetty is just a >>>>> deployment container, WebObjects is all of that and then some. >>>>> >>>>> Everyone goes through this. It’s called “The learning cliff” because it’s >>>>> much steeper than a typical learning curve. If you don’t familiarize >>>>> yourself with what is available, then you’ll no doubt end up trying to >>>>> reinvent something that already exists in WebObjects. That you even got >>>>> my application template running with no other knowledge of WebObjects is >>>>> pretty amazing to me. When I started, it took me nearly a month just to >>>>> get Eclipse/WOLips/WebObjects/Wonder all installed and working properly. >>>>> >>>>> I’ll copy the list on this reply. I know several people who follow it who >>>>> will probably have other good advice/recommended reading for someone just >>>>> getting started. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Apr 3, 2015, at 11:30 AM, HOUNKPONOU Ronald >>>>> <ronald.hounkpo...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Ramsey, >>>>>> I hope y're fine. >>>>>> I'am writing to you to request your help for learning webobjects. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have a good background in java programming but it's the first time >>>>>> i'am dealing with webobjetcs. >>>>>> >>>>>> So i would like you to help me by indexing the good practice and good >>>>>> docs i should start with. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'am a little bit confused because now wonder is the reference but i >>>>>> could not find good quickstart about it. >>>>>> >>>>>> I saw the good job you did on the community but for the beginner that i >>>>>> am it is not so easy. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am now trying to custumize a framework with my requirement and its is >>>>>> so difficult for me because there is a lot of concept i dont understand >>>>>> properly. >>>>>> >>>>>> I bougth the book practical webobject but a lot of class are now >>>>>> different with wonder and i confuse. >>>>>> >>>>>> The apps that i wopuld like to start with is a user managenment system, >>>>>> that i will be able to use in all my future projects. That's why i >>>>>> discorver your great work on ponder that i would like to use for the >>>>>> begining before having a deep knowledge. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank for all your contributions. >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>>>> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >>>>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>>>> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/tedpet5%40yahoo.com >>>>> >>>>> This email sent to tedp...@yahoo.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>>> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >>>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>>> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/mailinglists%40kataputt.com >>>> >>>> This email sent to mailingli...@kataputt.com >>> >>> >>> Markus Ruggiero >>> mailingli...@kataputt.com >>> Check out the new book about Project Wonder and WebObjects on >>> http://learningthewonders.com/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/pgr%40vt.edu >>> >>> This email sent to p...@vt.edu >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/dleber_wodev%40codeferous.com >> >> This email sent to dleber_wo...@codeferous.com > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.apple.com/archives/webobjects-dev/attachments/20150420/f8c55650/attachment.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2015 17:36:54 -0400 > From: Theodore Petrosky <tedp...@yahoo.com> > To: Markus Ruggiero <mailingli...@kataputt.com> > Cc: WebObjects-Dev <webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>, HOUNKPONOU Ronald > <ronald.hounkpo...@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: Help on webobjects > Message-ID: <e1079ca7-10a9-4c67-88e7-41bc993fa...@yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > > Markus, > > I bought the book so I have it, but I tried the http://learningthewonders.com > and I can not view the page. (Safari can’t find the server) > > also, mail addressed to you at kataputt.com bounces with an unknown server > error. > > > Ted > > > > On Apr 5, 2015, at 9:41 AM, Markus Ruggiero <mailingli...@kataputt.com> wrote: > >> The first chapters of the book are available online for free. They cover the >> complete installation of the develop environment on Mac OS X and MS Windows. >> Download as PDF available from http://learningthewonders.com >> >> Have fun with Wonder/WebObjects >> >> ---markus--- >> >> PS: Full disclouse: I am the author of said book >> >>> On 03.04.2015, at 21:28, HOUNKPONOU Ronald <ronald.hounkpo...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Thanks for your help Theodore. >>> I in West Africa, precisely in Benin. >>> >>> 2015-04-03 20:19 GMT+01:00 Theodore Petrosky <tedp...@yahoo.com>: >>> Here is another recent book. I didn’t see it listed in Ramsey’s reply. >>> >>> http://www.amazon.com/Learning-The-Wonders-introduction-applications/dp/3952423300 >>> >>> This book gives a wonderful (forgive the pun) example of installation of >>> the frameworks. >>> >>> BTW, where are you? What part of the world? >>> >>> Ted >>> >>> >>> >>> On Apr 3, 2015, at 3:05 PM, Ramsey Gurley <rgur...@smarthealth.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I’m afraid there’s no substitute for lots of reading :) >>>> >>>> If I were you, I’d start with David LeBer’s screen casts WebObjects, >>>> WOLips and Wonder tutorial, part 1 and 2 found here >>>> >>>> https://wiki.wocommunity.org/display/WEB/Screencasts >>>> >>>> That will give you a gentle introduction to WebObjects. There’s quite a >>>> lot of documentation to read >>>> >>>> https://wiki.wocommunity.org/display/WEB/JavaDoc+and+other+documentation >>>> >>>> Unlike other Java solutions, WebObjects is a full stack solution. Whereas >>>> something like Apache Tapestry only tries to solve html generation issues >>>> or Apache Cayenne only tries to handle database issues or Jetty is just a >>>> deployment container, WebObjects is all of that and then some. >>>> >>>> Everyone goes through this. It’s called “The learning cliff” because it’s >>>> much steeper than a typical learning curve. If you don’t familiarize >>>> yourself with what is available, then you’ll no doubt end up trying to >>>> reinvent something that already exists in WebObjects. That you even got my >>>> application template running with no other knowledge of WebObjects is >>>> pretty amazing to me. When I started, it took me nearly a month just to >>>> get Eclipse/WOLips/WebObjects/Wonder all installed and working properly. >>>> >>>> I’ll copy the list on this reply. I know several people who follow it who >>>> will probably have other good advice/recommended reading for someone just >>>> getting started. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Apr 3, 2015, at 11:30 AM, HOUNKPONOU Ronald >>>> <ronald.hounkpo...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Ramsey, >>>>> I hope y're fine. >>>>> I'am writing to you to request your help for learning webobjects. >>>>> >>>>> I have a good background in java programming but it's the first time i'am >>>>> dealing with webobjetcs. >>>>> >>>>> So i would like you to help me by indexing the good practice and good >>>>> docs i should start with. >>>>> >>>>> I'am a little bit confused because now wonder is the reference but i >>>>> could not find good quickstart about it. >>>>> >>>>> I saw the good job you did on the community but for the beginner that i >>>>> am it is not so easy. >>>>> >>>>> I am now trying to custumize a framework with my requirement and its is >>>>> so difficult for me because there is a lot of concept i dont understand >>>>> properly. >>>>> >>>>> I bougth the book practical webobject but a lot of class are now >>>>> different with wonder and i confuse. >>>>> >>>>> The apps that i wopuld like to start with is a user managenment system, >>>>> that i will be able to use in all my future projects. That's why i >>>>> discorver your great work on ponder that i would like to use for the >>>>> begining before having a deep knowledge. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thank for all your contributions. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>>> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >>>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>>> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/tedpet5%40yahoo.com >>>> >>>> This email sent to tedp...@yahoo.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/mailinglists%40kataputt.com >>> >>> This email sent to mailingli...@kataputt.com >> >> >> Markus Ruggiero >> mailingli...@kataputt.com >> Check out the new book about Project Wonder and WebObjects on >> http://learningthewonders.com/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.apple.com/archives/webobjects-dev/attachments/20150420/5cf0c552/attachment.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2015 08:49:30 +0100 > From: HOUNKPONOU Ronald <ronald.hounkpo...@gmail.com> > To: Theodore Petrosky <tedp...@yahoo.com> > Cc: WebObjects-Dev <webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com> > Subject: Re: Help on webobjects > Message-ID: > <CAChnUdSXd=83dkgf3mkfwpfrz3yk46irot1yf4cfxjgsbfy...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi Theodore, > I am with google chrome and i was able to download the first chapter from > this link : > http://learningthewonders.com/downl.html > > > Ronald > > 2015-04-20 22:36 GMT+01:00 Theodore Petrosky <tedp...@yahoo.com>: > >> Markus, >> >> I bought the book so I have it, but I tried the >> http://learningthewonders.com and I can not view the page. (Safari can’t >> find the server) >> >> also, mail addressed to you at kataputt.com bounces with an unknown >> server error. >> >> >> Ted >> >> >> >> On Apr 5, 2015, at 9:41 AM, Markus Ruggiero <mailingli...@kataputt.com> >> wrote: >> >> The first chapters of the book are available online for free. They cover >> the complete installation of the develop environment on Mac OS X and MS >> Windows. Download as PDF available from http://learningthewonders.com >> >> Have fun with Wonder/WebObjects >> >> ---markus--- >> >> PS: Full disclouse: I am the author of said book >> >> On 03.04.2015, at 21:28, HOUNKPONOU Ronald <ronald.hounkpo...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Thanks for your help Theodore. >> I in West Africa, precisely in Benin. >> >> 2015-04-03 20:19 GMT+01:00 Theodore Petrosky <tedp...@yahoo.com>: >> >>> Here is another recent book. I didn’t see it listed in Ramsey’s reply. >>> >>> >>> http://www.amazon.com/Learning-The-Wonders-introduction-applications/dp/3952423300 >>> >>> This book gives a wonderful (forgive the pun) example of installation of >>> the frameworks. >>> >>> BTW, where are you? What part of the world? >>> >>> Ted >>> >>> >>> >>> On Apr 3, 2015, at 3:05 PM, Ramsey Gurley <rgur...@smarthealth.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I’m afraid there’s no substitute for lots of reading :) >>>> >>>> If I were you, I’d start with David LeBer’s screen casts WebObjects, >>> WOLips and Wonder tutorial, part 1 and 2 found here >>>> https://wiki.wocommunity.org/display/WEB/Screencasts >>>> >>>> That will give you a gentle introduction to WebObjects. There’s quite a >>> lot of documentation to read >>>> >>> https://wiki.wocommunity.org/display/WEB/JavaDoc+and+other+documentation >>>> Unlike other Java solutions, WebObjects is a full stack solution. >>> Whereas something like Apache Tapestry only tries to solve html generation >>> issues or Apache Cayenne only tries to handle database issues or Jetty is >>> just a deployment container, WebObjects is all of that and then some. >>>> Everyone goes through this. It’s called “The learning cliff” because >>> it’s much steeper than a typical learning curve. If you don’t familiarize >>> yourself with what is available, then you’ll no doubt end up trying to >>> reinvent something that already exists in WebObjects. That you even got my >>> application template running with no other knowledge of WebObjects is >>> pretty amazing to me. When I started, it took me nearly a month just to get >>> Eclipse/WOLips/WebObjects/Wonder all installed and working properly. >>>> I’ll copy the list on this reply. I know several people who follow it >>> who will probably have other good advice/recommended reading for someone >>> just getting started. >>>> >>>> On Apr 3, 2015, at 11:30 AM, HOUNKPONOU Ronald < >>> ronald.hounkpo...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> Hi Ramsey, >>>>> I hope y're fine. >>>>> I'am writing to you to request your help for learning webobjects. >>>>> >>>>> I have a good background in java programming but it's the first time >>> i'am dealing with webobjetcs. >>>>> So i would like you to help me by indexing the good practice and good >>> docs i should start with. >>>>> I'am a little bit confused because now wonder is the reference but i >>> could not find good quickstart about it. >>>>> I saw the good job you did on the community but for the beginner that >>> i am it is not so easy. >>>>> I am now trying to custumize a framework with my requirement and its >>> is so difficult for me because there is a lot of concept i dont understand >>> properly. >>>>> I bougth the book practical webobject but a lot of class are now >>> different with wonder and i confuse. >>>>> The apps that i wopuld like to start with is a user managenment >>> system, that i will be able to use in all my future projects. That's why i >>> discorver your great work on ponder that i would like to use for the >>> begining before having a deep knowledge. >>>>> >>>>> Thank for all your contributions. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>>> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >>>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>>> >>> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/tedpet5%40yahoo.com >>>> This email sent to tedp...@yahoo.com >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. 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