SproutCore is a JS framework that was developed by Apple and is used in web 
apps such as iCloud.

Ember is an offshoot of it. It is watered down SproutCore. We have been using 
Ember because back in the days, SproutCore had performance problems which are 
now much less noticeable.

With Ember 2.x, the developers have lost their way completely and are going 
down the wrong path. We are planning to make a move to SproutCore.

The other js frameworks are by hipsters for hipsters. Not WO devs :D

If anyone knows any other good JS frameworks that are similar to WO ideology, 
please let me know!

Oh and while i was writing this post, I went on the iTunes connect web app to 
confirm its SproutCore based like iCloud… and to my shock, it’s AngularJS!!! 
What?!?

> On Jan 13, 2016, at 2:27 PM, James Cicenia <ja...@jimijon.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Here’s a very interesting back end setup:
> mongoDb and vert.x 
> 
> FrontEnd… 
> react
> meteor
> angular2
> .
> .
> .
> bootstrap
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 13, 2016, at 1:18 PM, Chuck Hill <ch...@gevityinc.com 
>> <mailto:ch...@gevityinc.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> On 2016-01-12, 10:30 PM, "T Worman" <li...@thetimmy.com 
>> <mailto:li...@thetimmy.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Welcome back!
>>> 
>>> The biggest issue with Golipse was adjusting the p2 installer for more 
>>> recent versions of Eclipse. Or something like that. I think it was more 
>>> that than the file locations - if I recall. I had a hard time finding 
>>> documentation on it.
>>> 
>>> Crap, now I need to learn JavaScript and REST?
>> 
>> Yes, all of the cool kids are doing it.  The real question is “Which 
>> JavaScript framework(s) will I learn?”.  There seems to be a new on almost 
>> every day!
>> 
>> Chuck
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim
>>> UCLA GSE&IS
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 12, 2016, at 7:25 PM, Chuck Hill <ch...@gevityinc.com 
>>>> <mailto:ch...@gevityinc.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Lachlan,
>>>> 
>>>> Nice to see you around, welcome back.  Yes, I am still here though snail 
>>>> harvesting sounds tempting and soothing.
>>>> 
>>>> The community is getting smaller and more fragmented.  Several people have 
>>>> joined Apple now and they tend not to be around much.
>>>> 
>>>> The last time I tried Golips it also did not work.  IIRC, it was a version 
>>>> problems and the downloads it was trying to get no longer existed.  The 
>>>> instructions on the wiki should be up to date for a DYI install.
>>>> 
>>>> Some people have migrated to Cayenne from EOF, and either use a REST API 
>>>> to drive a JavaScript client, or probably use Tapestry.  Andrus did some 
>>>> presentations on this, I am not sure if they are on the wiki or part of 
>>>> the backlog we need to deal with.
>>>> 
>>>> The WO version is still 5.4.3 with the latest Wonder on it.  We are up to 
>>>> Java 7 and looking at 8.  Some people use Maven, most I think have stuck 
>>>> with Ant.  Just say NO to Vertical Inheritance!  :-P
>>>> 
>>>> No really exciting developments that I recall, mostly a move away from 
>>>> HTML interfaces to JavaScript ones driven by a REST back-end.
>>>> 
>>>> Chuck
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 2016-01-12, 6:37 PM, 
>>>> "webobjects-dev-bounces+chill=gevityinc....@lists.apple.com 
>>>> <mailto:webobjects-dev-bounces+chill=gevityinc....@lists.apple.com> on 
>>>> behalf of Lachlan Deck" 
>>>> <webobjects-dev-bounces+chill=gevityinc....@lists.apple.com 
>>>> <mailto:webobjects-dev-bounces+chill=gevityinc....@lists.apple.com> on 
>>>> behalf of lachlan.d...@gmail.com <mailto:lachlan.d...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> it’s been a few years or so since I’ve kept up with the lay of the 
>>>>> WOland. 
>>>>> Having signed back up recently to the list I noticed that Chuck hasn’t, 
>>>>> as yet, gone off to sheep herding or snail harvesting :)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Out of curiosity I downloaded Golipse as per 
>>>>> (https://wiki.wocommunity.org/display/WEB/Project+Wonder+Installation 
>>>>> <https://wiki.wocommunity.org/display/WEB/Project+Wonder+Installation>).
>>>>> It doesn’t seem to do anything when I run it. I’m on OS X 10.11.2. Is 
>>>>> that expected?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I recall a few years back people were thinking of migrating to WO/Cayenne 
>>>>> from WO/EOF.
>>>>> I didn’t see anything about that on the wiki.
>>>>> 
>>>>> So what’s the recommended flavour of WO these days? Any exciting 
>>>>> developments over the last few years?
>>>>> 
>>>>> And what of Ant / maven / etc? 
>>>>> Vertical inheritance? ;-)
>>>>> 
>>>>> cheers,
>>>>> Lachlan
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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