Envoyé de mon iPhone
Le 4 mai 2016 à 09:36, Hugi Thordarson <h...@karlmenn.is> a écrit : >>>> If you think about it, one of the reasons they are bringing Swift to Linux >>>> is because they want a cool language on the server as well as on the >>>> client and leverage the code and libraries on both. >>>> >>>> At some point these developers need an ORM framework. Either Apple or >>>> someone else will do it in pure Swift without requiring the Objective-C >>>> run-time. Possibly a future Core Data. Then they'll need a templating >>>> request handling framework like WebObjects for Swift. And a REST >>>> framework. Let's bug Federighi with emails about bringing this back. :-) >>> >>> Federighi probably cares a lot about WO/EOF since he spent years >>> reimplementing it at Ariba ( http://aribaweb.org/ ). But I doubt he has the >>> time or support to do anything about WO within Apple. It’s a market Apple >>> simply isn’t in. >> >> I remembered Ariba and the time he spent there too and it's part of why I >> was wondering if he had any love left for WebObjects. :-) >> >> Also I can't imagine working on the server side without something like >> EOF/WebObjects. > > Yeah… I’ve made more than quite a few attempts at using them #different > technologies" and I’m now quite sure that I’d rather spend my time > re-implementing something WebObjects-like than spend time using bad tech. I > don’t really love programming (okay, maybe I do, but for the sake of > argument, let’s say I don’t :). I just love creating stuff people want to use > and WO really enables that. > > >>>> until I realize that I am married with four kids and a full time job that >>>> leaves me with no spare time left to work on things like this. :-) > > I can relate :) > > >>> We already have a clean room reimplementation of EOF—it’s called Cayenne >>> and I’m now using it in all of our projects. We just need to figure out >>> what to do with the presentation layer (WO). >> >> I think that is great for new projects. I was thinking of something API >> compatible with EOF for those of us who have built large systems with WO/EOF >> to make the transition less traumatic. :-) > > The transition from EOF to Cayenne is actually not very traumatic. If you use > WO-looking templates to generate entity classes, the rest of the API looks > really, really similar. In most cases, it’s really only a question of > changing class names. > And you will share your experience at WOWODC :-) > Cheers, > - hugi > > > > >> >>> - hugi >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On May 4, 2016, at 4:48 AM, Hugi Thordarson <h...@karlmenn.is> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Probably no one as surprised as myself. I probably sent dozens of e-mails >>>>> to sjobs on the subject trough the years without receiving a reply. But >>>>> to Tim’s credit, it only took four emails before I was contacted. He’s a >>>>> lot less stubborn, obviously. >>>>> >>>>> And we Viking are a misunderstood, peaceful people. Apart from sending >>>>> angry emails to corporate executives, these days we mostly conduct our >>>>> coastal raids through Panamian law firms using money stored in offshore >>>>> companies. It’s so much easier than eating psychoactive mushrooms and >>>>> running around raping and pillaging. >>>>> >>>>> - hugi >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 3. maí 2016, at 23:22, Chuck Hill <ch...@gevityinc.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> The Viking Tradition lives on! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> From: David LeBer <dleber_wo...@codeferous.com> >>>>>> Date: Tuesday, May 3, 2016 at 4:20 PM >>>>>> To: Chuck Hill <ch...@gevityinc.com> >>>>>> Cc: WebObjects-Dev <webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com> >>>>>> Subject: Re: WebObjects officially declared dead by Apple >>>>>> >>>>>> Yeah, I was surprised by that too. >>>>>> >>>>>> Apple rarely gives definitive statements on anything, let alone a long >>>>>> dead and forgotten product ;) >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> D >>>>>> >>>>>>> On May 3, 2016 at 7:11:05 PM, Chuck Hill (ch...@gevityinc.com) wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am surprised that Hugi got a clear statement from Apple. That must >>>>>>> have taken some persistence! “Frank, this damn Hugi guy keeps bugging >>>>>>> us every year, get rid of him!” >>>>>>> >>>>>>> :-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 2016-05-03, 4:04 PM, >>>>>>>> "webobjects-dev-bounces+chill=gevityinc....@lists.apple.com on behalf >>>>>>>> of Pascal Robert" >>>>>>>> <webobjects-dev-bounces+chill=gevityinc....@lists.apple.com on behalf >>>>>>>> of prob...@macti.ca> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Le 3 mai 2016 à 12:47, Flavio Donadio <fla...@donadio.com.br> a écrit >>>>>>>>> : >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hugi, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> That’s bad news, but it’s exactly what we expected, in a certain way. >>>>>>>>> The silence and lack of updates for such a long time were telling us >>>>>>>>> the truth, although we wouldn’t accept it — there had to be a final >>>>>>>>> word, straight from the horse’s mouth! I guess we have it now. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So, they say WO is dead. We say “long live, WO!" >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We should move on to the next step: nagging Apple to release WO/EOF >>>>>>>>> as open source software! ;-) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This topic comes around every year. Multiple people asked this to >>>>>>>> Apple over the last 7 years. It won’t happen. Final. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>> Flavio >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 03/05/2016, at 12:19, Hugi Thordarson <h...@karlmenn.is> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi all. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> We probably all know that WO's been practically dead to Apple for a >>>>>>>>>> long time, but unfortunately Apple has refused to state so >>>>>>>>>> officially (at least I don't recall there being an official >>>>>>>>>> statement). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Anyhow… In the past years I've regularly sent letters to Tim Cook, >>>>>>>>>> asking about the state of WO (being the naggy guy I am) and >>>>>>>>>> recently, I was contacted by Apple executive relations regarding my >>>>>>>>>> questions. The guy I spoke to called a couple of times, at first, he >>>>>>>>>> had absolutely no idea what WO was but the second time he called, he >>>>>>>>>> had obtained information and had a clear statement: "WebObjects is a >>>>>>>>>> discontinued product and will never be upgraded". >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I know this information is extremely redundant, but I still wanted >>>>>>>>>> to tell you since it was something of a relief. Felt a little like >>>>>>>>>> the police calling you to let you know that they'd found the remains >>>>>>>>>> of your friend that's been missing for 15 years and finally declared >>>>>>>>>> him dead. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> But of course, this changes nothing; WO is still better than ever. >>>>>>>>>> We just need to continue to distance Wonder from WO and move forward. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>> - hugi >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>>>>>>>>> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >>>>>>>>>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>>>>>>>>> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/flavio%40donadio.com.br >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This email sent to fla...@donadio.com.br >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>>>>>>>> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >>>>>>>>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>>>>>>>> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/probert%40macti.ca >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This email sent to prob...@macti.ca >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>>>>>>> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >>>>>>>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>>>>>>> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40gevityinc.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This email sent to ch...@gevityinc.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>>>>>> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >>>>>>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>>>>>> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/dleber_wodev%40codeferous.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This email sent to dleber_wo...@codeferous.com >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>>>>> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >>>>>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>>>>> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/hugi%40karlmenn.is >>>>>> >>>>>> This email sent to h...@karlmenn.is >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>>>> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >>>>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>>>> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/rparada%40mac.com >>>>> >>>>> This email sent to rpar...@mac.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/probert%40macti.ca > > This email sent to prob...@macti.ca _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
