Chuck, I like your summary of the industry as well as the community. CheersRobert
Sent from Outlook on my iPhone Robert Snyder [email protected] On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 12:18 AM -0400, "Ricardo Parada" <[email protected]> wrote: That is very accurate. :-) > On Jul 13, 2016, at 1:35 PM, Chuck Hill <[email protected]> wrote: > > Here is my brief take on what defines the community. > > Many of us got started with WO before anyone came along and told us that we > should not want a coherent, consistent, end-to-end stack that mostly “just > worked”. So we naively started using it and found that it was a joy to work > like this and very productive. When the industry mantra became that we > needed to be able to choose our own “industry standard” disjoint, disparate > pieces and glue them together using glue, sticky tape, and Spring, we ignored > them. Those who joined in after that were either visionaries or insane. I > am still not sure where to draw that line! > > Which brings us to now. Most of us have decades of experience in software > development and much of that using a toolset that gave us a complete > scaffolding on which to hang our application specific logic. Dave Avendasora > had a good analogy. WO says “You want a house? OK, here is a house that > will suit 90% of people, fully built, and here are instructions on how to > renovate what does not suit you. Oh, and we are going to surround that house > with other houses, schools, stores, and hospitals as you are probably going > to want those too”. The industry standard tools say, “You want a house? You > don’t want a house. What? Are you stupid? You want total control! You > want no vendor lock-in! Look, here is a bunch of lumber and construction > tools, a cement, and look a bulldozer! A bulldozer! Go build whatever you > need to exactly suit you”. > > We know how good things can be and we are not willing to settle for less. > That is what defines us. That is why we are still here. While some of us, > like Andrus, have gone away and re-created part of the goodness and added > some new goodness, we are still all influenced by what we witnessed and > worked with. > > > Chuck > > From: <[email protected]> on behalf > of Pascal Robert <[email protected]> > Date: Monday, July 11, 2016 at 6:14 PM > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Subject: Summary of the State of the Community > > Dear members of the WO Community, > > At WOWODC 2016, we had many discussions about the future of the community. We > also saw many tools to get forward. But before moving forward on the > technical side, many attendees made a point: we should find out what unites > us. Is this only because of WebObjects, or because we use WebObjects and > Wonder for rapid development? Or because most of you are small teams and are > doing full-stack development? > > So, before we decide to replace, or not, the tool stack, we want to know what > defines the community and we want for feedback about this. > > As for the current operations, the WOCommunity Association still stay up at > least until January 24th 2017. We have enough money to pay for the hosting > and the store for the remaining of the year. We can also save some money by > moving some of the podcasts to mirrors and by running Jenkins elsewhere, or > maybe everything. If you want to host some of the podcasts (the older ones) > or host Jenkins, please notify me. > > You can listen to the talk here: > > http://wocommunity.org/podcasts/wowodc/2016/State_of_the_Community.mp4 > http://wocommunity.org/podcasts/wowodc/2016/State_of_the_Community_Followup.mp4 > > Also, Samuel Pelletier created a Slack channel to discuss the state of > things, send an email to him or me if you wish to join the channel. > > Thanks. > _______________________________________________ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list ([email protected]) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40gevityinc.com > > This email sent to [email protected] > _______________________________________________ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list ([email protected]) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/rparada%40mac.com > > This email sent to [email protected]
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