some of you have inquired which email list this oocured on, it is [EMAIL PROTECTED] unfortunately, i have deleted the original email that ric mclaughlin ([EMAIL PROTECTED] - the individual who sent the message attacking webobjects) had sent to the listserver. the email list that this happened on, is run by bruce speyer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). below is the email that he was responding to. as you can tell this thread was not originally about webobjects but about apple operating systems and linux. a few individuals on the list (including me) have responded back explaining that his opinions are untrue and talked about some of the sites using it and how to scale, deal with session, and questioned his issue about latency. thanks for the help and comments. guy r. lipof -------------------------------------------- o_o [EMAIL PROTECTED] ( ) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ( | | ) ----------------------------------- ' " " ` http://www.smartdna.com -------------------------------------------- ---------- From: "guy lipof" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Mark Gaither <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> , Gene Crick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> , Geekamigos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Apple??? -and- pssst, any tips? Date: Thu, Mar 4, 1999, 5:21 PM mark/gene, macos can run as a server, but in general is a personal computer like windows 3.1, 95, and 98. but, apple recently annouced a real server solution (macos x server - http://www.apple.com/macosx/server). macos x server is the updated operating system which apple acquired when they purchased NeXT. it includes the mach microkernel (developed at cmu), bsd 4.4 subsystem, openstep api's, a much improved gui, great network management tools (netinfo), and apache. its user/group accounts can be integrated into unix nis networks and there are third-party solutions that link netinfo with ldap services. also included with this great operating system is webobjects (apple's web application server - http://www.apple.com/webobjects). the developer copy of webobjects includes webobjects builder (gui html editor), projectbuilder (objc, java, and webscript ide), and eomodeler (database modeling metatool for oracle, sybase, informix, and odbc). webobjects can be used to create web applications, standalone java applications, java applets, and windows gui applications. if you create a web application with webobjects, it can be deployed on windows nt, solaris, hp-ux, and macos x server. a copy of webobjects developer normally goes for $1500.00 and the gui tools only work on windows nt and macos x server. deployment is normally on solaris or hp-ux. apple is selling the bundle of macos x server and webobjects for $999. according to friends at apple macos x server is supported on both intel x86 and powermacintosh g3 machines. hope the above helps you... guy r. lipof -------------------------------------------- o_o [EMAIL PROTECTED] ( ) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ( | | ) ----------------------------------- ' " " ` http://www.smartdna.com -------------------------------------------- ---------- >From: Mark Gaither <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: Gene Crick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Geekamigos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: Apple??? -and- pssst, any tips? >Date: Thu, Mar 4, 1999, 4:07 PM > >At 03:43 PM 3/4/99 -0600, Gene Crick wrote: >> >> >>One of the missions of our operation is provide development/practice >>server platforms for public interest projects. Right now we have a Unix >>system (which we use heavily because, well.. Unix works!) as well as a >>lower load NT- system, because... actually I'm not totally sure why. I >>think because that's where the market is going and we need to offer what >>people really want to learn. And remote NT- management is a likely growth >>project for our free training mission. >> >>QUESTION #1. We're set up (backbone nipple) to add a third system, which >>is/was scheduled to be Linux. The rationale is that Linux, now that user >>support options are emerging, might be a good low-cost option for smaller >>communities wanting to develop local system capatilities. >> >>BUT, recently a suggestion has been made that Apple might want to chip in >>to help make our next platform Apple-based. Now I personally have -zero- >>familiarity with Apples (or Segas or other Nintendo-class hardware) but >>must admit some credible friends (like Wayne) suggest it might be valid. >> >>Comments? Is Apple a legitimate, lasting platform for future of servers? >>Or should we go ahead with the Linux plan? Any strong opinions? >> > > From a developer that has worked on all types of server platforms, > IMHO, the Mac is not a server platform but a great desktop platform. > > Just look at the recent announcments from IBM and Dell to start shipping > Linux boxes and Intel's committment to make sure Linux Red Hat runs > well on their silicon (they are a minority owner in Red Hat). Finally, > I just received a note from a professor at Texas A&M in the Computer > Science department. They are looking for someone to teach students > how to install Linux on their home boxes. That is a ground swell. > > Mark > > >Regards. > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >Mark Gaither | 1301 W. 25th St. Suite 500 >Senior Technical Staff | Austin, TX 78705 >Activerse, Inc. | 512.708.1255 x133 (voice) >[EMAIL PROTECTED] | 512.708.1293 (fax) >whodp://staff.activerse.com/markg | >http://neteye.activerse.com/workcam.html| >-------------------------------------------------------------------- > Get Ding!: http://www.activerse.com/
