On 06/08/13 23:15, Joseph Bonneau wrote:
>
>     In our mind, one of the biggest factors has been "What are the
>     hurdles to
>     practical deployment?". While there is admittedly complexity from the
>     header approach, it's our view that it's not greater than the inherent
>     complexity of effective pinning, as enumerated in the existing
>     considerations. The complexity of an efficient and reasonable
>     implementation of well-known URIs, or of a practical deployment of
>     server
>     extensions, seems to greatly outweigh both, and the benefits are
>     not as
>     seemingly significant.
>
>
> I am in agreement that a TLS extension seems like far too much to ask
> of deploying sites. I'm also appreciating more and more from this
> thread the difficulty of a well-known URI and though I think it's a
> cleaner approach in the long-term I can see the argument that it's too
> much to do right now.

<no hats>
agree.
+1 for going with http header and _not_ going with well-known URI at
this point.
Best regards, Tobias


>
> I'm fully on-board with headers if we can address two issues that I
> think are real impediments to servers deploying HPKP and doing so
> correctly: (a) header bloat (600 bytes of for a site requiring 10
> pins) (b) inadvertent HPKP hole-punching when resources are
> accidentally served without headers set. Other issues (e.g.
> discoverability by crawlers) seem secondary.
>
> I think we can address (b) by not interpreting a missing HPKP header
> as a max-age=0, and I was hoping we could deal with (a) by clients
> sending a hash or policy serial number to avoid repeatedly sending the
> header. Does this approach add too much complexity given the level of
> concern about header bloat, which doesn't seem huge?
>
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