[website-discuss] [Fwd: Final note to my friends: __/__ Preaching water! __/__ Re: Request: Moinak Ghosh has deserved more "core contributor" titles, th]

Mon, 19 Nov 2007 08:52:07 -0800

Martin's requests seem to be bouncing, undoubtedly because he has not figured out how to subscribe to website-discuss.
Derek: Per his request (attached here), can you delete (or suspend, since IIRC, we can't actually delete) his account, and unsubscribe his email address from all the mailman lists? 


OGB: I don't know if we want to explicitly revoke his grants; he didn't 
request it - but I don't know how the grants will react when tied to a 
suspended/deleted account.


cheers,
steve

--
stephen lau | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.whacked.net


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Martin Bochnig wrote:

Alan Coopersmith wrote:

    

Martin Bochnig wrote:

      

Martin Bochnig wrote:

          

The funniest thing: I'm still only a plain

            

contributor in the xwin-community, so is Moinak
Ghosh!!!

          

  
            

Have you emailed the X Window System Community and
asked for core contributor status?  I'm sure you are more than
qualified.

          

We had done this. We (Moinak and I) had been told it would "depend 
on our future behaviour, and then they would decide". Message must 
be in the xwin archives somewhere, back last July or August.
        

I don't remember you asking. 
      

Ah, yes: I recall that you have a selective memory: 
http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/xwin-discuss/2007-October/002453.html 

"MB>  #0) I told you many things you did not remember. Why do you 
exactly remember this single of all my statements? Because it is the 
most convenient to think of??? Why don't you
MB>         remember, for example, that I had told you immediately 
afterwards (back then), that it had been a statement motivated by 
desperate dark sarcasm??


AC: I don't know - the human memory is strange.   Perhaps it stuck out"
AC:  because it was such a unusual thing to say.




    

When I proposed the FOX project

      

You have proposed it?
I had long before, only not under the name "FOX".
See xwin archives beginning in April 2006.
URL's on demand!



    

I decided to start the process by making you Contributors:

    ...the Community at this time grants Contributor status

    to Martin & Moinak, with the intention to review for Core 
Contributor

    status once the project is underway.

http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/xwin-discuss/2007-June/002152.html

Given that Moinak has only putback one line of change to the shared
Mercurial repository, and you none, I haven't seen any reason to
nominate you for Core Contributor status based on that work.

      

"based on that work" ???

Yes, true. We didn't push our code into the mercurial gate, but rather 
released stuff on external file servers, for several reasons that 
don't matter here.

But didn't we release the full complete diffs and tarballs???

e.g. here:
http://www.martux.org/xorg/FOX1.0/src/

http://www.martux.org/xorg/FOX1.0/src/FOXpre1.0_Alan20070901__Moinak20070501__Martin20070930__x64_x86_sparc_merge_XXX.tar.bz2 

http://www.martux.org/xorg/FOX1.0/src/fox-gate__AlanMercurDefault20070901sat1153hCEST___VERSUS___XXX__fox-gate__Alan20070901__Moinak20070501__Martin20071012__x64_x86__sparc.gdiff.bz2 

http://www.martux.org/xorg/FOX1.0/src/fox-gate__AlanMercurDefault20070901sat1153hCEST___VERSUS___XXX__fox-gate__Alan20070901__Moinak20070501__Martin20071012__x64_x86__sparc_gdiff.txt 




Announcement: 20071012fri: 
http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/xwin-discuss/2007-October/002578.html 



and of course in April:
http://www.martux.org/xorg/OLD/
http://www.martux.org/xorg/OLD/20070503__7.2.0/src/0__20070227/
http://www.martux.org/xorg/OLD/20070503__7.2.0/src/1__20070410/

http://www.martux.org/xorg/OLD/20070503__7.2.0/src/2__20070430moinakg__x86_NOsparc/ 

http://www.martux.org/xorg/OLD/20070503__7.2.0/src/3__20070430moinakg__Belenix_OR_marTux_x86_OR_sparc/ 



http://www.martux.org/xorg/OLD/20070503__7.2.0/
http://www.martux.org/xorg/OLD/20071008mon/
http://www.martux.org/xorg/OLD/fox-gate/


Observe and take into account that it is called "FOX", CC'ed to 
indiana-discuss, full of complete Sun license headers, and that the 
pkgdefs for the binary packages have use the "SUNW" prefix, not BLNX, 
MRTX or whatever.


Bundled with complete and detailed instructions?
You could easily have taken the code and pushed it in by yourself.
It was synced back then.

And I practically had bombarded the xwin-discuss list with all my 
status info and findings (especially in April, May and then late 
summer of this year), eg. here:


http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=27458&tstart=0


Or when I worked on testing the water in terms of a Xsun ddx wrapper 
module 10 nights and days long:

http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?messageID=144733&;


If you don't have the Alzheimer's desease you cannot have forgotten my 
full-time involvement. It is also unlikely your partner/boss Mr. "S. 
[anonymoous]" would have gently picked me up from SFO Intl. airport to 
drive me to Menlo Park and introduce me to the whole rest of the X 
server group if I hadn't done something that looks important enough to 
you:
http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/xwin-discuss/2007-October/002598.html 




Seeing you now writing lied half-truths like above ("based on that 
work") brings me to the point where I will take rotten eggs and fish. 
And I will friendly great you and then let's shake hands.




    

That shouldn't stop anyone else, including yourself, who thinks either

you or Moinak deserve Core Contributor status for that or other work, 
from requesting that of the community.



      

How do you define this? Haven't enough mails been written?
No, thanks. Keep it.

I wish you what you deserve, more than wishing me, what I do.

A long-term community member and good friend had once warned me about 
you, and back then I didn't believe him. I thought you were my friend.


Now, unfortunately, I have to.


p.s. You would make a gifted lawyer. Turning black ink into red 
numbers, a square with white mice in it into a blue singing circle.


--
Martin Bochnig


    


Stephen Lau wrote:

  

Joerg Schilling wrote:

    

Stephen Lau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 
      

I'm a Core Contributor, and it has nothing to do with my paid job.  
For     
        

A few weeks ago, it was your job.

Jörg

  
      

Sure - but what's your point?  My point is that I'm still involved in 
communities, and I'd like to think I'm still participating at or 
beyond the level necessary to be a core contributor -- despite not 
having been "paid" to do so for 6 weeks.



Nobody should ever expect to get reimbursed or compensated for working 
in an open source community.


cheers,
steve


    



Mr. Lau,

preaching water, drinking wine, like the pope?!!

Sun would save quite a lot of money, if all those working inside 
"communities" on "open" src projects would work for free from now on. 
And do you believe the real Xorg developers work for free? (I mean the 
real ones, at x.org)
Or OpenOffice or Mozilla, or Apache or Linux kernel or whatever 
developers: All get paid for their work. The substring "open" in OSS 
stands for "no restrictive licensing, freely redistributable" and such. 
It does not necessarily stand for "developed by unpaid poor unemployed 
individuals with an average life expectancy of 30 to 35".



Also, if you are so serious about what you have said, why don't you pay 
back last two year's gross-income? Or donate it to whatever NG organization?
Then, from this Monday on, everybody working on OSS (including the 
OpenSolaris kernel!!) will work FOR FREE: No money, no core-titles, just 
for fun, no reward! Without ever expecting somebody to sponsor him or to 
say "Thank you, Sir!"



Let us start withe those who should in theory be leading us by good 
example, with the leaders:  Such as Simon Phipps or Ian Murdock.


ha ha  ha


And p.s. Could somebody tell website-discuss to finally check their 
bounces filter.

Then to delete the bochnig account? Thanks.

Some (not all, but "certain") of you Sun (or ex-Sun) guys are 
brainwashed hair-splitting professionals.
Sorry, you don't want to hear this. But it is the truth. I wonder why 
you don't realize it yourself or get tired of fooling anybody who tries 
to complain about the lack of a funding policy.



And finally: Yes, Moinak does deserve more core titles, than a single 
one. Because he has done an amazing amount of magic to OpenSolaris, 
BeleniX and Indiana. Not just posted propaganda in response to justified 
criticism (and then called that work).


Adios Amigos

--
Martin Bochnig

  



Friends:

I have to leave this system.
In order to protect myself from "self-"exploitation.

And, please: If nobody had ever spoken out the truth, then we would 
still live the Middle Ages. Or in the apartheit era, etc.


--->>   This system is not self-hosting.   <<---

Not sane. And it has taken me very long to finally realize that.

And they have had enough time and chances to think about and to grow out 
of it. Just as I had to. But claiming that I am always wrong, they never 
are: That's simply very unlikely to be true.


This is my last and final message sent through the opensolaris mills,

Take care,
%martin


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