This conversation is missing the point, we're keeping the ability to use paypal, just adding additional ability to avoid it. This is a win - win.
Best Regards, Joel On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 8:27 AM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P < webmas...@krackedpress.com> wrote: > > Never heard any bad press for PayPal, but that does not mean there is none. > > I just prefer to use it over my debit card, for security sake. It is much > harder for a "business" or person to fake charges to PayPal. Once someone > has my Debit card number, I take the risk that someone in their "business" > could copy it and then try to use it for their own spending. > > As for Censorship, well freedom of speech is part of the USA Constitution > but it is "legally" violated all the time here. Business seem to have the > right to demand your social network user account and password as a > condition of employment. We are working on laws to stop that. Then there > is the issue of "if you look like an enemy, you must be one" attitude. If > you dress up in traditional Islamic robes and head gear, then you get > hassled and discriminated a lot. Racial Profiling laws prevent that but it > is difficult to prove and enforce. > > There are legal issues about "helping" someone to buy items that may be > banned by come cultures. So if it is banned in one region of the world, it > is much easier to ban it from their service for everyone than try to > determine if they are buying it while online in a region/community that you > are not allowed to do so or is being shipped through that region. > > It is much easier to just not allow something to be bought than determine > if the buyer is allowed to buy it in their culture, government region, or > are you old enough, etc., etc.. > > I do not like this type of censorship of people's right to buy, read, > view, etc., from legally run web sites/businesses, but it is a hazard of > doing business. Either you get people upset with you or you get government > agencies knocking on your doors. > > Now if the PayPal people are just censoring purchases by their own > "standards" and not out of some legal requirement, then there is an issue > that may be against some rule of law or rule of ethical business practice > governing their business type. > > But, censorship is a fact of life and hard to stop or legally prove to the > courts. > > > On 09/19/2012 09:07 AM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: > >> I have heard horror stories with PayPal, but I cannot confirm them. Some >> people simply do not like the company. Also, note that Paypal as a >> business is famous to implement censorship policies that tend to be >> shocking in my part of area of the world: >> https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/**2012/02/legal-censorship-** >> paypal-makes-habit-deciding-**what-users-can-read<https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/02/legal-censorship-paypal-makes-habit-deciding-what-users-can-read> >> >> and >> http://www.guardian.co.uk/**commentisfree/2011/oct/24/** >> bankers-wikileaks-free-speech<http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/oct/24/bankers-wikileaks-free-speech> >> >> Best, >> Charles. >> >> Le mercredi 19 septembre 2012 à 14:36 +0200, Jonathan Aquilina a écrit : >> >>> I dont know why people are so apprehensive of paypal. They can still send >>> payments through them without even needing an account with them. >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 2:33 PM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P < >>> webmas...@krackedpress.com> wrote: >>> >>> On 09/19/2012 04:07 AM, Florian Effenberger wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote on 2012-09-19 00:44: >>>>> >>>>> Is there any reasons why Paypal payment services, for taking payments >>>>>> from a card, not working for TDF donations? >>>>>> >>>>>> PayPal will not be removed. However, we had dozens of people asking >>>>> for >>>>> offering direct credit card payments, because they specifically would >>>>> not >>>>> like to use PayPal, so direct credit card payment is another option we >>>>> provide. >>>>> >>>>> Florian >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Well, the one thing I like about PayPal is the "insurance factor". >>>> If you >>>> buy something online and it never comes or some fraud is involved, you >>>> can >>>> get your money back through part of their service agreement. So if >>>> someone, say on eBay, states that they do not take PayPal payments, they >>>> are to be avoided. >>>> >>>> I do remember that PayPal has/had a credit card service for those >>>> "buyers" >>>> who do not have a PayPal account. That was a good service. >>>> >>>> So what TDF is doing is setting up a system that takes various credit >>>> cards directly through the card company's service, or are you >>>> contracting a >>>> payment service company that processes the card "purchases"? >>>> >>>> I do like the reoccurring monthly payments. The you can set up a >>>> "donation" cycle, like you do for monthly Internet hosting accounts, so >>>> you >>>> can just set it up and forget about it, allowing the donations to be >>>> "sent" >>>> monthly without any hassle of remembering is you sent in a donation that >>>> month. >>>> >>>> Actually, from a marketing standpoint, having a direct credit/debit card >>>> system makes TDF "look" more professional. Almost anyone can setup a >>>> PayPal >>>> payment system, but it takes a true "professional" business to get a >>>> direct >>>> card payment service. 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