Hi Florian, *

On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 11:34 PM, Florian Effenberger
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Christian Lohmaier wrote on 2013-05-03 21:33:
>
>> I have written so many times that sites can use their own
>> css/templates, but  everyone just complains that it is "inflexible"
>> but never actually states the reasons. Why should it be different this
>> time.
>
> maybe we should do a webcast on Silverstripe, a virtual workshop, to give
> some insight? Might that help?

I don't think that people don't know how to use the Silverstripe
backend, but rather that they don't like the look/style of the
libreoffice-theme.

But without real feedback that is impossible to tell.
If people want fancy css/or host it at $other_cms or use manually
created html - in all cases they would have to create their desired
css. It would be trivial to adapt such a design for use with
silverstripe.
The documentfoundation.org theme was copied from the semi-static
manual style (that's why it looks so "old" :-)) - the lo-theme was a
iteration on that documentfoundation.org style to make it look a
little bit more modern and use the LO-colors - but that's about it.

You can see based on the frontpage, that "fancy looking pages" are no
problem with silverstripe.
Also http://www.silverstripe.org/community-showcase/ shows pages that
different people did create.

The problem definitely is not that "silverstripe is not flexible". But
rather that people only say "the theme sucks" without providing a
sample of how it should look instead. Demanding /me/ to write a new
css-theme for you won't work, especially if you don't tell what
exactly it should do. But telling me: "Hey, I want a site that looks
like *this* (link to existing page, either manually created, created
with another cms, doesn't matter - point is: use a page that works in
a browser/) - please adapt that theme for use with silverstripe" is no
problem. Extra points if the demo also defines how navigation for
subpages should look like/work.

So they don't even know how to write a theme (html-templates and css)
for stilverstrype. They only need to create a demo with the look they
want with whatever tool they prefer.

But I can create a tutorial/workshop/video if someone tells me what
exactly that should cover...

ciao
Christian

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