> I think many web apps including my own could realize a big performance gain 
> if they only had to fetch objects that changed. I'd really like to see 
> databases allow clients to listen for this info, or a solution that effects 
> the same thing but as an add-on/tool.

I've done this in a convoluted way before with certain things like bare
web pages that act like database views and caching tricks with squid :)
The application was special and this worked well, but a generic database
interface for this would be quite nice.

Isn't this what triggers are for basically?  I've never really needed to
use them, and when I thought about it I was always discouraged by people
telling me they were quite slow, etc.

> Actually MK does nothing in terms of distributing your objects as 
> independent services accessed via TCP/IP. More often than not, I don't need 
> that in a project, so it wasn't a focus. Actually I have never needed that.

And neither have I.  But MK is doing basic management is it not?  Not
distributed stuff, but it's caching objects and data, etc?

> But what do you want out of the middle layer? For starters, I'll assume 
> Pythonic objects that do something useful for you in the background. 

For normal web apps I want some object interface to the data.  MK
provides that.

For this application I also want that interface.  The benefits of
separating that storage from the data access are outlined in your Intro
to MiddleKit :)  The difference here is not just that the storage is
LDAP and not SQL, but I'm not sure if the MK data and LDAP data would be
sharable.  I haven't played with it yet, and maybe I should have first
:)

> Does 
> that include automated storage to LDAP? 

I have no problem writing methods for update/delete/etc for ldap.  I
don't really expect everything to be automatic.  Mostly I want the same
(or similar) interface from the application side.

I can do this by writing everything, but I'm trying to figure some way
to not do that... or at least some way where I only have to do most of
it once.

jack.

> Does it also include some kind of 
> IPC access on an object and method level?
> 
> -Chuck

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