On Thu, 2002-04-04 at 11:21, Serge Shchetinin wrote:
> Hello Ian,
> 
> Thursday, April 04, 2002, 3:56:41, you wrote:
> IB> On Wed, 2002-04-03 at 15:04, Serge Shchetinin wrote:
> >> Hello people,
> >> sorry  if  these  issues  were discussed before, but i see no trace of
> >> them being implemented so i assume they were not.
> 
> IB> Have you looked at the Wiki? (http://webware.colorstudy.net)  I think
> IB> this covers some of these issues.  Especially
> IB> http://webware.colorstudy.net/twiki/bin/view/Webware/UrlDecoding
> 
> yes, i did, but i missed that one.
> 
> that's a wishlist with no clue of implementation and what i proposed
> is a flexible enuff system not to need rewriting in near time, don't
> you think?

I'm not sure... I couldn't completely follow your description, but it
doesn't seem to address most of the problems from what I could tell. 
For instance, it doesn't address having a URL reference an object that
is not attached to a file, and I'm not sure how you might allows new
logic to be plugged into certain parts of the path.  Or automatic
directories, spell checking... I'm not sure what all else.  There's a
lot of things to keep in mind.

> IB> -- until then, mod_rewrite deals with many of the problems, if not in an
> IB> elegant way.
> 
> that's a hack, it's common and powerful but that doesn't change
> the fact that it's still a hack.
> 
> and then, what about middlekit-alter and debugging proposals?

Well, I won't speak to MK, but the debugging problem is a significant
one.  However, it's also very subtle.  I tried doing something for this,
and got fairly far along before I realized what I was doing wasn't going
to fix anything.

The biggest problem in what I tried was that reloading modules isn't
enough: you will still have stale objects and classes that came from the
old module.  The servlet cache can eliminate the first level of these,
but it's much more challenging to eliminate more of them.

It's solvable, I'm sure, but harder than you might originally expect.

  Ian



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