Actually the webware chapter in dietel was probably the only part of the book that really failed imho. Only because it missed the good stuff and concentrated on the psp. That said, theres probably rhyme and reason there in that it was intending to show that such a beast does exist, although I'm inclined to thing webwares psp support is less important now that mod_python does the same thing (I think). The Dietel book was fantastic otherwise. Lots and lots and lots of good stuff. On general python it was well written, pretty much everything I've needed to find on python is in there. And the examples are great.
Essentially I use it as a reference. I wonder if its worth writing a "good" chapter on webware, and hawking it out to the book venders for inclusion in whatever python tome they come out with next? -- Shayne O'Neill http://perth.indymedia.org I know how hard it is for you to put food on your family." ----George W. Bush On Thu, 22 Apr 2004, Ian Bicking wrote: > On Apr 22, 2004, at 1:03 PM, Aaron Held wrote: > > I would love to see a book - I've taught webware and written some > > tutorials and guides - but nothing recent. > > > > I think a pure webware book would fail, and there have been a few > > less then interesting Web Development in Python books as well. > > I agree -- I don't think a Webware book would work. In fact, I don't > think Python is ready for any web programming books (except Zope -- but > even those suck tremendously, so maybe Zope isn't ready either ;). > > The books that have existed seem to be scattered and incomplete, or > just cover one framework under the guise of being general. There was > one that covered Slither, I think... ever heard of Slither? I hadn't. > There's another book with a chapter on Webware/PSP -- I haven't had the > heart to even read the final version. I reviewed it, and the structure > was horrible, with none of the depth where it was necessary, and > pedantic coverage of useless details elsewhere -- when they returned a > second draft with none of the changes I suggested, I gave up on them. > > The reality is that Python web programming is a fucking mess. It's > pathetic. There's no way to write a book, because there's no material > that's appropriate book material. I like Webware, but it's not going > to take over the world, not even the modest Python world. Neither will > Zope, not even Zope 3... and if I thought it would, maybe I'd switch > over happily. Well, to Zope 3, Zope 2 is a fucking mess, and fixing it > only makes it worse, and I know I'll never be happy there. All the > other frameworks are in the same shape as Webware -- they have some > users, occasional spurts of activity. Some have solid enough > communities to have a viable future, but many do not. None of them is > compellingly great. Yes, even Webware. > > BTW, if anyone wants to talk about these larger issues, Web-SIG is > probably an appropriate venue: http://www.python.org/sigs/web-sig -- > feel free to post anything that comes to your mind, it's too damn quiet > there. > > -- > Ian Bicking | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://blog.ianbicking.org > > ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: The Robotic Monkeys at ThinkGeek For a limited time only, get FREE Ground shipping on all orders of $35 or more. Hurry up and shop folks, this offer expires April 30th! http://www.thinkgeek.com/freeshipping/?cpg=12297 _______________________________________________ Webware-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/webware-discuss
