On Dec 30, 2004, at 2:57 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Please allow me to remain stubborn in my support of DTML : I have developed,
with my team, multiple web apps using DTML and yes, every
language/technology has its pros and cons, but talk of "the mess that is
DTML" just isn't coherent (at all) with our experiences ...

I appreciate your position. You have been successful with this technology, so why would anyone knock it?


The difference may be approached with the question of "what is a programming language?". This may seem fundamental but there is, imho, a tendency to consider templates and such as programming languages when they merely script. That is to say they are simply the structured data used by the underlying programming language.

To some, there is no "language" in programming at all. To others this or that isn't a "programming language" if you cannot compile it to machine code. Beyond that, in the 4GL region of the universe, there are a multitude of things that look a lot like programming "languages".

In this context, DTML may be seen as more complicated that it needs to be. And there is the notion that building a "framework" upon a framework is redundant. More to the point, the elegance of a solution lies in the efficiency of the framework, the velocity a team can attain and the resilience of the architecture to the inevitable change in requirements.

In the end, and as far as end users are concerned, if it works I am a hero. If it doesn't I am a goat.

Happy new year,

Mark Phillips



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