Title: RE: Recording Disclosures (was BA Agreement Questions)
I also agree with Carolyn.
 
An external Auditor would be a BA if (and only if) YOU hired the firm to perform audits for YOUR business purposes, and the auditor had to access to PHI in order to perform the audits.
 
Government overseers are a different type of entity from the various Covered Entities and Business  Associates, and are enumerated as separate types in the regs.
 
The opinions expressed here are my own and not necessarily the opinion of LCMH.
 
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Subject: RE: Recording Disclosures (was BA Agreement Questions)

I've got to agree with Carolyn. These audits are done as required by law, or for Health Oversight. Not on behalf of the health plan.

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From: Price, Carolyn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 4:41 PM
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Cc: 'Bill MacBain'; 'Judy.Griffith'
Subject: RE: Recording Disclosures (was BA Agreement Questions)

IMHO, the audits are being performed on behalf of the State, under federal guidelines, and the auditors are NOT business associates.  Their audits are on behalf of the State and Federal governments (i.e. Medicaid), NOT on behalf of the health plans, believe me. Sorry, but I respectfully disagree.
Carolyn Price
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Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 1:33 PM
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Subject: RE: Recording Disclosures (was BA Agreement Questions)

Traci,

 

I tend to view (at least some of) the "audit" activities performed by the State as being conducted on behalf of the CE-Health Plans (e.g., Medicaid) as opposed to the CE-providers.  As such, those State-conducted "audit" activities are part of the Health Plan's "health care operations".  Consequently, the State auditors would probably be construed as Business Associates of the Health Plan.

 

How do others view this?

 

I hope that this helps.

 

Your questions are always welcome.

 

Matt

 

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From: Traci.Jensen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 11:15 AM
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Subject: RE: Recording Disclosures (was BA Agreement Questions)

 

I would like to introduce myself, as I am new to this listserv.  I am the HIPAA Privacy Project Manager for a health plan in Illinois.  Even though I am new to this listserv, several of your names are familar from the HIPAAlive listserv.

Noel, I want to be clear I understand your response.  Are you saying that it is your opinion that audits performed by a State agency or someone on their behalf falls under disclosing information for our own activities related to "Conducting or arranging for medical review, legal services, and auditing functions, including fraud and abuse detection and compliance programs"? 

I am not convinced that we could constitute audits being performed by a State agency as part of our own health care operation.  I believe this is something that we would have to track and provide an accounting for because it is "required by law" and the disclosures are made for "health oversight activities".

Also, it is more than likely that the State agency requiring the audit is not a covered entity so the sharing PHI for "certain health care operations" wouldn't apply, and they would not be considered a business associate as they are not doing something on our behalf.

However, I would like to be convinced that this would fall under our health care operations, because currently our system does not have a way to track disclosures made on multiple members, without manually documenting in each member record.

I do agree in that I don't think by mentioning the possibility of a type of disclsoure in your NPP a covered entity can relieve themselves of the obligations to track and account for such disclosures. 

I welcome everyone's opinion.

Traci Jensen
Compliance Programs Manager/HIPAA Project Manager
Health Alliance Medical Plans, Inc.

 

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From: Noel Chang [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 8:37 AM
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Subject: Re: Recording Disclosures (was BA Agreement Questions)

 

Under the definition of "health care operations", found in section 164.501,
item (4) of that definition includes, "Conducting or arranging for medical
review, legal services, and auditing functions, including fraud and abuse
detection and compliance programs".

I would take this to mean that the audit is part of TPO, and there for not a
disclosure that needs to be accounted for.

As a footnote, I'm not sure I agree with your implication that by mentioning
the possibility of a type of disclsoure in your NPP you can relieve yourself
of the obligations to account for such disclosures.  The disclosures that
should and should not be accounted for are ennumerated clearly in section
164.528(a)(1).  I am not aware of any relief from these requirements through
your NPP.

Noel Chang

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Sent: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 08:11:02 -0500
Subject: Recording Disclosures (was BA Agreement Questions)

> Hi All,
>
>   I agree with Noel's interpretation....
>
>   But, I would like to confirm a related Privacy implication:  When you
> disclose PHI to either the state or an auditing group that the state
> hired, must you record that as a disclosure?  Do you have to record the
> disclosure at the individual level or can you just put a statement into
> your NPP that this kind of disclosure could happen to the person's PHI?
>
>   The main reason I ask the question really centers on what TPO consists
> of.  If the state audits, say an insurance company as a part of it's
> oversight of all insurance companies, is that disclosure of PHI to
> the state a part of TPO, since the insurance company doesn't have
> any choice in the matter?  Can the same be said for all regulatory
> types of disclosures?
>
> All opinions expressed are my own and should not be construed to be
> Medical Mutual or Antares Management Solutions official policy.
>
> Jim Moores - HIPAA Team Leader - Privacy
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> >>> "Noel Chang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 02/04/03 10:36PM >>>
> Is the audit being done at your request or are you required to
> submit to the audit by the state?
>
> If you are initiating the audit then I'd say you should have a BA
> agreement. 
> If the audit is being imposed on you by the state then I'd say no BA
> is required. 
>
> If the billing information you submit to the schools/nursing
> homes/welfare
> departments are for services you delivered to them, I don't see why
> a BA
>
> agreement would be necessary.  You are making a disclosure to obtain
> payment.  Such disclosures are specifically permitted, even if the
> disclosure
> is to the financially responsible party who is not the same person as
> the
> subject of the PHI.
>
> BA agreements are only necessary when you have a third party performing
> a
> covered function on your behalf.
>
> Noel Chang
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> Sent: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 17:42:31 -0500
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> > I've met with my CFO and our Purchasing Mgr and we've figured out
> > most of our vendor list.  But we had a couple of questions I hoped
> > someone could help with:
> >
> > 1.  What do we do about auditors that come on-site to review records
> > for payment/compliance.  If i read this right, if the auditor is a
> > govt agency (Medicaid or Medicare) then we don't need an agreement. 
> > But our state contracts with another company to audit our state
> > contract funds.  Do we have to have the BA with that company for that?
> >
> > 2.  We have service contract agreements with several schools/nursing
> > homes/welfare depts.  In addition to the treatment piece, we also
> > (of course) submit bills that include patient identifiers (name, SSN,
> >  address).  Do we need BA's for those relationships?
> >
> > Teri Baskett
> > Information Officer
> > LifeSpring Mental Health Services
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