Dawn,
This looks like a lot of "CYA" BAA contracts being sent unnecessarily.  The logic seems to be send them to everybody, and see who signs them.
 
Don't forget that the CE is the one who is responsible to ensure that the proper BAAs are in place.  Since a contract is signed by both sides, it doesn't matter who drafts the text.  A BA who drafts the BAA text is trying to increase the likelyhood that their version is the one that is signed.  Don't sign anything until your lawyer checks it out!
 
The opinions expressed here are my own and not necessarily the opinion of LCMH.
 
Douglas M. Webb
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Little Company of Mary Hospital & Health Care Centers
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----- Original Message -----
From: Dawn Lenox
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 09:37 AM
Subject: Re: medical vendors as Business Associates

I tried to explain this to a vendor that sent us (CE) their BA (non-CE) as a favor to us....They said we were being liberal in our interpretation and that they were being "conservative"...they did not even request that we sign it...go figure.
----- Original Message -----
From: Doug Webb
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: medical vendors as Business Associates

Jill,
I agree with Dan.
 
The critical question is do you do anything on behalf of a Covered Entity that involves PHI?  If this answer is "No", you do not need a BAA.
 
Providing devices to non-patients isolates you from PHI.
 
Providing devices to patients is acting on behalf of yourself (I assume you make a profit on the deal, or you wouldn't be in business), not a service to the Covered Entity.  If you also bill insurance carriers electronically, you may be a Covered Entity (providing Treatment).
 
As Dan said, it would be extremely rare that a vendor of this type would be in a Business Associate relationship with a Covered Entity.
 
If it operates in some other role in addition to being a DME vendor, that role must be considered independantly.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Kelsey
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 08:32 AM
Subject: RE: medical vendors as Business Associates

I think your decision would have to be very fact based.  For example, if a wheelchair company sells 50 wheelchairs to a hospital, then they would not be a BA of the hospital.  However, if the hospital rehab unit orders a custom fit wheelchair that involves disclosure of the patient's limitations, physical build, etc., then chances are a BA relationship does not exist either.  I say "chances are" because treatment by a health care provider is exempt from the BA definition and a BAA is not required. 
 
The key issue is if the medical vendor meets the definition of a health care provider - there is a mention in HIPAA for the Federal definition, and it is fairly all encompassing.  Generally speaking, I do not think the majority of these vendors would be business associates.
 
Hope this helps,

Dan Kelsey
Practice Advisor
Indiana State Medical Association
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Are medical vendors that supply products like prosthesis, wheelchairs, etc., considered BA? I have been researching this and can't seem to come up with clear answer...

Thanks in advance

Jill Rubin, Esq.
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