Thanks for all the responses to my original question.I have had a couple
listservers ask for examples of my concerns, so here goes:

Delivery related claims:
PAT089 -Newborn Weight
Not currently sent -  per my reading of the IG - required on
claims/encounters for delivery services/when pt's age less then 29 days.


So does this mean the clearinghouse/payers are interpreting this as:
Required on claims/encounters for delivery services ONLY IF WE NEED TO
ADJUDICATE? 

All Claims:
CLM09 -Release of Information Code
Per my reading - required on every claim
Not currently differentiating between just that we have a signature on
file, and whether it is appropriate, restricted, etc.

So does this mean the clearinghouse/payers are going to interpret the
fact that we have a signature on file as an A - appropriate - and let it
go at that?

Thanks MIMI

So does this mean the clearinghouse/payers are interpeting thi



We currently collect birthweight, but we do not send it, as
SITUATIONALLY required 

Mimi Hart ӿ�*
Research Analyst, HIPAA
Iowa Health System
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Marcallee,

Excellent response.

Jonn M. Jordana
Director of Operations
Claredi Corporation
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From: Marcallee Jackson [mailto:marcallee@;msn.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 9:42 AM
To: WEDI SNIP Testing Subworkgroup List
Subject: RE: Concern in regards to "testing"

Chances are your clearinghouse has a very liberal interpretation of
the
IG and sees all situational data elements as optional.  They are
probably concerned more with the adjudication requirements of the
receiving health plans, not HIPAA compliance.  Maybe not though, maybe
you're just lucky.   Maybe they have defined the bare minimum for
compliance and your claims meet that.  You could do a few things:

1.  Pull specific cases from your claims file.  Claims you know should
reject.  Identify the data that you believe should cause the claim to
fail and require your clearinghouse to explain how they are dealing
with
that data.  If the clearinghouse is manipulating any data at all, they
should be prepared to disclose that information to you in detail. 

2.  If you plan on continued translation of a non-standard to
standard,
require that your clearinghouse certify your transactions, post
translation,  with a third party on your behalf.  Be certain they
certify under a strict interpretation, otherwise your really only
checking compliance with edit types 1&2.  You probably want 1-6.

3.  Accept what they are telling you. Be certain they have tested with
your major payers.  Call the payers and be certain the clearinghouse
meets the payer's requirements and cross the non-compliant bridge
when/if you come to it.  If your clearinghouse is meeting the needs of
all its trading partners, complaints aren't likely to occur for quite
some time.  Even then, there's still a lot up for interpretation.

Your organization is the CE, you decide on the acceptable level of
risk.
If you expect your clearinghouse to meet the strictest interpretation,
the clearinghouse should do that.  Of course, you will probably have
to
find a way to provide more data than you do today and you should be
prepared to pay your clearinghouse, the cost dependant on the extent
to
which it must go to assist you in meeting compliance.  

Hope that helps.

Marcallee Jackson
562-438-6613

-----Original Message-----
From: Mimi Hart [mailto:HartAM@;crstlukes.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 8:05 AM
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Subject: Concern in regards to "testing"

I would appreciate some input on a concern I have in regards to
"testing" with clearinghouses. One of our clearinghouses has sent us
documentation that they are "testing" our current data stream and they
will let us know which of the claims will fall out due to not being 
compliant. Wonder of all wonders, we have not added a single data
field
to our claims, but almost all are passing the tests. Having read the
IG
guides and completed a gap analysis, I understand that this cannot be.
But it is VERY confusing to our systems analysts and CBOs when I tell
them we have problems and the word they are getting from the
clearinghouse is very different. Any suggestions on how to handle
this?

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