Tom,
I stand corrected.  I had overlooked the SBR02 problem.
Supposedly, then, the Subscriber could have any number of Patients, so long as one of them is not himself. (I think the IG guys didn't intend this effect, but it's there, so...).
 
The opinions expressed here are my own and not necessarily the opinion of LCMH.
 
Douglas M. Webb
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Little Company of Mary Hospital & Health Care Centers
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 01:02 PM
Subject: RE: 837 Subscriber and Patient Loops

Option two is the only correct option.
There is a conflict with SBR02 (Relationship Code) in the 2000B loop.
It is situational with the following note:

"Required when the subscriber is the same person as the patient. If
the subscriber is not the same person as the patient, do not use
this element."

In order to satisfy the above requirement, you must repeat the
subscriber information.

Hope this helps.

Tom Drinkard
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-----Original Message-----
From: Goetz, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 1:31 PM
To: WEDI SNIP Transactions Workgroup List
Subject: 837 Subscriber and Patient Loops


I have a question regarding subscriber and patient loops in the 837.  If
a healthcare provider bills claims for both the subscriber and the
subscriber's dependent in the same 837, how should the subscriber and
patient loops be arranged?

Option 1

2000B - SUBSCRIBER HIERARCHICAL LEVEL
2010BA - SUBSCRIBER NAME, ADDRESS, DEMOGRAPHIC
2010BB - PAYER NAME
2300 - CLAIM INFORMATION

2000C - PATIENT HIERARCHICAL LEVEL
2010CA - PATIENT NAME, ADDRESS, DEMOGRAPHIC
2300 - CLAIM INFORMATION

Option 2

2000B - SUBSCRIBER HIERARCHICAL LEVEL
2010BA - SUBSCRIBER NAME, ADDRESS, DEMOGRAPHIC
2010BB - PAYER NAME
2300 - CLAIM INFORMATION

2000B - SUBSCRIBER HIERARCHICAL LEVEL
2010BA - SUBSCRIBER NAME, ADDRESS, DEMOGRAPHIC
2010BB - PAYER NAME
2000C - PATIENT HIERARCHICAL LEVEL
2010CA - PATIENT NAME, ADDRESS, DEMOGRAPHIC
2300 - CLAIM INFORMATION

In option 1, the patient hierarchical level starts immediately after the
subscriber's claim data.  In option 2, the subscriber level must be
repeated after the subscriber's claim data and before the dependent's
claim data. Which one is the correct option when a provider submits
claims for both the subscriber and the subscriber's dependent in the
same 837?

Thank you,

John Goetz
HIPAA Project Manager
ACS State Healthcare

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