Thanks again! 

I started with *sudo pip install Cheetah --ignore-installed*

And the rest continued without incident. I updated weewx.config and the 
standard report and weewx has been running since I started it. The site is 
at letusgarden.org/weewx/.

I can't say how much I appreciate your prompt and helpful assistance! Does 
weewx.com have a way for donations?

So many times I encounter a hard stop that I don't know how to deal with it 
and when I can't find simple answers on the Internet I give up. 
Fortunately, for my pride and self confidence you were here to help.

So congratulations on an excellent software system! 

David


On Tuesday, December 31, 2019 at 2:58:54 PM UTC-8, Thomas Keffer wrote:
>
> Your version of setuptools, v1.1.6, is extremely old (the current version 
> is v43.0.0!) It looks like Cheetah needs version 36 or greater, so it's 
> trying an upgrade, but is unable to do so.
>
> The reason why is that pip is attempting to uninstall the old version of 
> setuptools, which is located under /System/Library, which is protected by 
> the Mac's "System Integrity Protection" (SIP). Even though you are running 
> as root, SIP won't let pip uninstall the old version. 
>
> What to do? You can try the option --ignore-installed. This will cause 
> pip to just go ahead with the install, and not try to uninstall the old 
> version. Because pip installs to /Library/Python, which is not protected by 
> SIP, it will succeed. 
>
> *sudo pip --install Cheetah --ignore-installed.*
>
>
> If you're uneasy about doing that, there are a few other options:
>
> 1. Install python by using brew. This will install a brand new version of 
> python in /usr/local, which is not protected by SIP. Then, using that 
> version of python, use pip to install the prerequisites. They will install 
> to /usr/local/lib.
>
> 2. Install python by using pyenv (this is what I do). This will install 
> python in ~/.pyenv, which, of course, is not protected.  An added benefit 
> is that pyenv allows you to manage many different versions of python. If 
> you run as a daemon, just use a direct path to the python executable. It 
> will automatically find the libraries installed by pip using that version 
> of python.
>
> 3. Install using pip, but use the --user flag. This will install in 
> ~/.local. No root privilege required. However, if you run as a daemon, you 
> will have to specify the library directory as a PYTHONPATH.
>
> Probably option #1 is easiest and safest.
>
> -tk
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 12:07 PM David Bach <[email protected] 
> <javascript:>> wrote:
>
>> thanks for the reply.
>>
>> here's the command-line output
>>
>> WeatherMini:~ dsbach$ sudo pip install Cheetah
>> DEPRECATION: Python 2.7 will reach the end of its life on January 1st, 
>> 2020. Please upgrade your Python as Python 2.7 won't be maintained after 
>> that date. A future version of pip will drop support for Python 2.7. More 
>> details about Python 2 support in pip, can be found at 
>> https://pip.pypa.io/en/latest/development/release-process/#python-2-support
>> Processing 
>> ./Library/Caches/pip/wheels/27/8d/d0/7cee58a5a59f3c305cb1117416530229231440293e565030ff/Cheetah-2.4.4-cp27-cp27m-macosx_10_11_intel.whl
>> Collecting Markdown>=2.0.1
>>   Using cached 
>> https://files.pythonhosted.org/packages/c0/4e/fd492e91abdc2d2fcb70ef453064d980688762079397f779758e055f6575/Markdown-3.1.1-py2.py3-none-any.whl
>> Collecting setuptools>=36
>>   Using cached 
>> https://files.pythonhosted.org/packages/91/af/18d58ed8a8e7e6b91d71b0367034faf8ea41e1004018811388ed07a7f2d6/setuptools-43.0.0-py2.py3-none-any.whl
>> Installing collected packages: setuptools, Markdown, Cheetah
>>   Found existing installation: setuptools 1.1.6
>>     Uninstalling setuptools-1.1.6:
>> ERROR: Could not install packages due to an EnvironmentError: 
>> [('/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.7/Extras/lib/python/_markerlib/__init__.py',
>>  
>> '/private/tmp/pip-uninstall-uEpSVa/__init__.py', "[Errno 1] Operation not 
>> permitted: '/private/tmp/pip-uninstall-uEpSVa/__init__.py'"), 
>> ('/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.7/Extras/lib/python/_markerlib/__init__.pyc',
>>  
>> '/private/tmp/pip-uninstall-uEpSVa/__init__.pyc', "[Errno 1] Operation not 
>> permitted: '/private/tmp/pip-uninstall-uEpSVa/__init__.pyc'"), 
>> ('/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.7/Extras/lib/python/_markerlib/markers.py',
>>  
>> '/private/tmp/pip-uninstall-uEpSVa/markers.py', "[Errno 1] Operation not 
>> permitted: '/private/tmp/pip-uninstall-uEpSVa/markers.py'"), 
>> ('/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.7/Extras/lib/python/_markerlib/markers.pyc',
>>  
>> '/private/tmp/pip-uninstall-uEpSVa/markers.pyc', "[Errno 1] Operation not 
>> permitted: '/private/tmp/pip-uninstall-uEpSVa/markers.pyc'"), 
>> ('/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.7/Extras/lib/python/_markerlib',
>>  
>> '/private/tmp/pip-uninstall-uEpSVa', "[Errno 1] Operation not permitted: 
>> '/private/tmp/pip-uninstall-uEpSVa'")]
>>
>> weewx started and began writing to the archive database. Sill no cheetah 
>> (probably obvious from the above),
>>
>> Here's a snippet from the console:
>>
>> 12/31/19 10:30:16.917 AM weewx[83]: reportengine: Unable to instantiate 
>> generator 'weewx.cheetahgenerator.CheetahGenerator'
>> 12/31/19 10:30:16.918 AM weewx[83]:         ****  No module named 
>> Cheetah.Template
>> 12/31/19 10:30:16.921 AM weewx[83]:         ****  Generator ignored
>>
>> OK. Thanks for your time and expertise. I'm going to bet on getting weewx 
>> to work because the installs have crippled my wview installation. So I am 
>> uninstalling and re-installing weewx, 
>>
>> Well, the same issue:
>>
>> WeatherMini:Downloads dsbach$ sudo pip install Cheetah
>> DEPRECATION: Python 2.7 will reach the end of its life on January 1st, 
>> 2020. Please upgrade your Python as Python 2.7 won't be maintained after 
>> that date. A future version of pip will drop support for Python 2.7. More 
>> details about Python 2 support in pip, can be found at 
>> https://pip.pypa.io/en/latest/development/release-process/#python-2-support
>> Processing 
>> /Users/dsbach/Library/Caches/pip/wheels/27/8d/d0/7cee58a5a59f3c305cb1117416530229231440293e565030ff/Cheetah-2.4.4-cp27-cp27m-macosx_10_11_intel.whl
>> Collecting Markdown>=2.0.1
>>   Using cached 
>> https://files.pythonhosted.org/packages/c0/4e/fd492e91abdc2d2fcb70ef453064d980688762079397f779758e055f6575/Markdown-3.1.1-py2.py3-none-any.whl
>> Collecting setuptools>=36
>>   Using cached 
>> https://files.pythonhosted.org/packages/91/af/18d58ed8a8e7e6b91d71b0367034faf8ea41e1004018811388ed07a7f2d6/setuptools-43.0.0-py2.py3-none-any.whl
>> Installing collected packages: setuptools, Markdown, Cheetah
>>   Found existing installation: setuptools 1.1.6
>>     Uninstalling setuptools-1.1.6:
>> ERROR: Could not install packages due to an EnvironmentError: 
>> [('/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.7/Extras/lib/python/_markerlib/__init__.py',
>>  
>> '/private/tmp/pip-uninstall-tU5uzW/__init__.py', "[Errno 1] Operation not 
>> permitted: '/private/tmp/pip-uninstall-tU5uzW/__init__.py'"), 
>> ('/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.7/Extras/lib/python/_markerlib/__init__.pyc',
>>  
>> '/private/tmp/pip-uninstall-tU5uzW/__init__.pyc', "[Errno 1] Operation not 
>> permitted: '/private/tmp/pip-uninstall-tU5uzW/__init__.pyc'"), 
>> ('/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.7/Extras/lib/python/_markerlib/markers.py',
>>  
>> '/private/tmp/pip-uninstall-tU5uzW/markers.py', "[Errno 1] Operation not 
>> permitted: '/private/tmp/pip-uninstall-tU5uzW/markers.py'"), 
>> ('/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.7/Extras/lib/python/_markerlib/markers.pyc',
>>  
>> '/private/tmp/pip-uninstall-tU5uzW/markers.pyc', "[Errno 1] Operation not 
>> permitted: '/private/tmp/pip-uninstall-tU5uzW/markers.pyc'"), 
>> ('/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.7/Extras/lib/python/_markerlib',
>>  
>> '/private/tmp/pip-uninstall-tU5uzW', "[Errno 1] Operation not permitted: 
>> '/private/tmp/pip-uninstall-tU5uzW'")]
>>
>> Something about permissions in Python.framework? 
>>
>> Ideas?
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, December 29, 2019 at 4:33:28 AM UTC-8, Thomas Keffer wrote:
>>>
>>> I know you say that you did the install of Cheetah, but for whatever 
>>> reason, it looks like Cheetah did not install, at least not anywhere python 
>>> can find it. 
>>>
>>> One thing I've discovered: you cannot use pip in the directory where you 
>>> unpack the weewx tarball. The reason is that pip sees the setup.cfg file 
>>> that comes with weewx, and tries to install in the directory it specifies. 
>>> So, try going to your home directory first, then running pip from there.
>>>
>>> *cd*
>>> *sudo pip install Cheetah*
>>> *cd /Users/Shared/weewx*
>>> *./bin/weewxd weewx.conf*
>>>
>>> The "json-style information" is normal. That's output from the service 
>>> StdPrint, which prints LOOP packets and archive records, so you can see 
>>> what's going on. It has nothing to do with Cheetah.
>>>
>>> -tk
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 28, 2019 at 10:29 PM David Bach <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I did the install of Cheetah.
>>>>
>>>> Restarted the Mac, restarted weewx (checked for wview using the port 
>>>> (no sign) and got this:
>>>>
>>>> 12/28/19 9:20:15.764 PM weewx[83]: manager: Added record 2019-12-28 
>>>> 21:20:00 PST (1577596800) to database 'weewx.sdb'
>>>> 12/28/19 9:20:15.769 PM weewx[83]: manager: Added record 2019-12-28 
>>>> 21:20:00 PST (1577596800) to daily summary in 'weewx.sdb'
>>>> 12/28/19 9:20:15.816 PM weewx[83]: reportengine: Unable to instantiate 
>>>> generator 'weewx.cheetahgenerator.CheetahGenerator'
>>>> 12/28/19 9:20:15.816 PM weewx[83]:         ****  No module named 
>>>> Cheetah.Template
>>>> 12/28/19 9:20:15.819 PM weewx[83]:         ****  Generator ignored
>>>> 12/28/19 9:20:22.319 PM weewx[83]: reportengine: Unable to instantiate 
>>>> generator 'weewx.cheetahgenerator.CheetahGenerator'
>>>> 12/28/19 9:20:22.319 PM weewx[83]:         ****  No module named 
>>>> Cheetah.Template
>>>> 12/28/19 9:20:22.319 PM weewx[83]:         ****  Generator ignored
>>>>
>>>> Also a lot of json-style information was written to the terminal - 
>>>> appeared to be the data intended for Cheetah.
>>>>
>>>> WeatherMini:weewx dsbach$ ./bin/weewxd weewx.conf
>>>> LOOP:   2019-12-28 21:21:22 PST (1577596882) appTemp: 40.9650108791, 
>>>> barometer: 30.119, cloudbase: 1801.21794114, consBatteryVoltage: 4.61, 
>>>> dateTime: 1577596882, dayET: 0.02, dayRain: 0.01, dewpoint: 37.367441059, 
>>>> extraAlarm1: 0, extraAlarm2: 0, extraAlarm3: 0, extraAlarm4: 0, 
>>>> extraAlarm5: 0, extraAlarm6: 0, extraAlarm7: 0, extraAlarm8: 0, 
>>>> forecastIcon: 6, forecastRule: 44, heatindex: 44.8, humidex: 44.8, 
>>>> inDewpoint: 47.8314402429, inHumidity: 38.0, insideAlarm: 0, inTemp: 75.2, 
>>>> leafWet4: 0.0, maxSolarRad: 186.732005992, monthET: 0.51, monthRain: 7.96, 
>>>> outHumidity: 75.0, outsideAlarm1: 0, outsideAlarm2: 0, outTemp: 44.8, 
>>>> radiation: 0.0, rain: None, rainAlarm: 0, rainRate: 0.0, soilLeafAlarm1: 
>>>> 0, 
>>>> soilLeafAlarm2: 0, soilLeafAlarm3: 0, soilLeafAlarm4: 0, stormRain: 0.0, 
>>>> sunrise: 1577548560, sunset: 1577578980, trendIcon: 0, txBatteryStatus: 0, 
>>>> usUnits: 1, UV: 0.0, windchill: 44.8, windDir: 103.0, windGust: 2.0, 
>>>> windGustDir: 103.0, windSpeed: 2.0, windSpeed10: 3.0, yearET: 28.6, 
>>>> yearRain: 39.79
>>>>
>>>> and later in the same stream:
>>>>
>>>> raceback (most recent call last):
>>>>   File "/Users/Shared/weewx/bin/weewx/reportengine.py", line 185, in run
>>>>     obj = weeutil.weeutil._get_object(generator)(
>>>>   File "/Users/Shared/weewx/bin/weeutil/weeutil.py", line 1107, in 
>>>> _get_object
>>>>     mod = __import__(module)
>>>>   File "/Users/Shared/weewx/bin/weewx/cheetahgenerator.py", line 66, in 
>>>> <module>
>>>>     import Cheetah.Template
>>>> ImportError: No module named Cheetah.Template
>>>>
>>>> It seems that somethings is really messed up.
>>>>
>>>> db
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, December 28, 2019 at 5:02:27 PM UTC-8, Thomas Keffer wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Did you install cheetah?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Dec 28, 2019 at 5:59 PM David Bach <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> weewx is running - files going into public_html and manager writing 
>>>>>> to the database (catching up). However, I'm getting this message:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 12/28/19 4:50:42.759 PM sudo[713]:   dsbach : TTY=ttys000 ; 
>>>>>> PWD=/Users/Shared/weewx ; USER=root ; COMMAND=/bin/launchctl load 
>>>>>> /Library/LaunchDaemons/com.weewx.weewxd.plist
>>>>>> 12/28/19 4:55:15.217 PM weewx[715]: manager: Added record 2019-12-28 
>>>>>> 16:55:00 PST (1577580900) to database 'weewx.sdb'
>>>>>> 12/28/19 4:55:15.222 PM weewx[715]: manager: Added record 2019-12-28 
>>>>>> 16:55:00 PST (1577580900) to daily summary in 'weewx.sdb'
>>>>>> 12/28/19 4:55:15.276 PM weewx[715]: reportengine: Unable to 
>>>>>> instantiate generator 'weewx.cheetahgenerator.CheetahGenerator'
>>>>>> 12/28/19 4:55:15.276 PM weewx[715]:         ****  No module named 
>>>>>> Cheetah.Template
>>>>>> 12/28/19 4:55:15.278 PM weewx[715]:         ****  Generator ignored
>>>>>> 12/28/19 4:55:21.701 PM weewx[715]: reportengine: Unable to 
>>>>>> instantiate generator 'weewx.cheetahgenerator.CheetahGenerator'
>>>>>> 12/28/19 4:55:21.701 PM weewx[715]:         ****  No module named 
>>>>>> Cheetah.Template
>>>>>> 12/28/19 4:55:21.703 PM weewx[715]:         ****  Generator ignored
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ideas?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> David
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Saturday, December 28, 2019 at 3:49:42 PM UTC-8, Thomas Keffer 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As Gary notes, the problem is that your configuration file, 
>>>>>>> weewx.conf, was not configured to use the Vantage driver properly.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How did you do the install? The easiest is to follow the directions 
>>>>>>> for MacOS <http://www.weewx.com/docs/macos.htm>. This will prompt 
>>>>>>> you for which driver you want to use. Just indicate the Vantage driver, 
>>>>>>> and 
>>>>>>> the setup utility will take care of setting up weewx.conf.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -tk
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Dec 28, 2019 at 1:25 PM David Bach <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm attempting to install weewx on a Mac mini that has been running 
>>>>>>>> wview for years. The installation of weewx went relatively smoothly. I 
>>>>>>>> copied the database from wview to weewx and double-checked the 
>>>>>>>> configuration files.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I start weewx and receive:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> WeatherMini:weewx dsbach$ ./bin/weewxd weewx.conf
>>>>>>>> Traceback (most recent call last):
>>>>>>>>   File "./bin/weewxd", line 64, in <module>
>>>>>>>>     weewx.engine.main(options, args)
>>>>>>>>   File "/Users/Shared/weewx/bin/weewx/engine.py", line 888, in main
>>>>>>>>     engine = engine_class(config_dict)
>>>>>>>>   File "/Users/Shared/weewx/bin/weewx/engine.py", line 72, in 
>>>>>>>> __init__
>>>>>>>>     self.setupStation(config_dict)
>>>>>>>>   File "/Users/Shared/weewx/bin/weewx/engine.py", line 90, in 
>>>>>>>> setupStation
>>>>>>>>     driver = config_dict[stationType]['driver']
>>>>>>>>   File "/Library/Python/2.7/site-packages/configobj.py", line 554, 
>>>>>>>> in __getitem__
>>>>>>>>     val = dict.__getitem__(self, key)
>>>>>>>> KeyError: 'Vantage'
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The wview installation required a serial to USB converter by 
>>>>>>>> Silicon Labs that shows up in /dev as /tty.SLAB_USBtoUART. Two others 
>>>>>>>> I 
>>>>>>>> tried didn't work back when I installed wview.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I used screen to attempt to connect to this USB port and it was 
>>>>>>>> successful. I attempted to connect to /dev/ttyUSB0 and ttyUSB1 without 
>>>>>>>> success (there are no such devs listed). So I believe that the former 
>>>>>>>> is 
>>>>>>>> the correct port. But how do I tell weewx to look there for the loop 
>>>>>>>> data.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't know how to make sense our of the section about udev and 
>>>>>>>> creating an alias in the documentation. 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My installation of weewx is straightforward. I'm just trying to 
>>>>>>>> replace wview with weewx at http://hillhousehome.net/weewx.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> MacOS El Capitan, MacMini, weewx 3.9.2, final version of wview, 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm not unfamiliar with weewx - I have a working installation on 
>>>>>>>> another VantagePro 2 weather station on a Raspberry Pi.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I know the basics of linux command line, but often I come across 
>>>>>>>> situations I cannot understand, such as writing udev rules.
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