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Charlie,
Only point was the obvious one. Just because I live in the city of St.
louis does not been I am totally unfamiliar with farming operations.
If don't give a shit how big Texas is, what's your point?
On Sep 5, 10:59 pm, Charlie Pratt <[email protected]> wrote:
> Okay, there's some good farming land 5 miles east of St. Louis and you
> have some friends that farm 1200 acres of it. Is there a point you're
> trying to make?
>
> It's true there isn't much dirt farming in east Texas - too many
> trees. Much of east Texas is called the Big Thicket.
>
> However, Texas is a big place. Just south of Lubbock on the Llano
> Estacado are miles and miles of cornfields on both sides of the road
> as far as you can see. When I was a kid, cotton was a big thing about
> 50 miles west of here where i grew up, but it's pretty much not any
> more. Don't know if cotton prices dropped to where it was no longer
> profitable or what.
>
> C...
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 5, 2009, at 10:03 PM, Hollywood <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Charlie,
>
> > You have no sense of humor old boy. Anyone with just 10 acres and a
> > mule better eat the fucking mule or they will starve. I don't know
> > jacl-shit about farming other than i want nothing to do with it.
> > However, I CAN read.
>
> > You understand don't you that less than 5 miles due east of the Arch
> > is some of the richest and best farming land in the country. A good
> > friend of mine's family runs about 1,200 acres Why do I have to keep
> > informing you and Pred that there is a vast world about of East Texas?
> > WTF does it matter to the country as a whole, or the agriculture
> > business ,that there are no corporate farms in your particular little
> > corner of east Texas?
> > You can't see it from your back porch so it dosen't exist?
>
> > On Sep 5, 9:23 pm, Charlie Pratt <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> Jimmy, for a city slicker from the bowels of St. Louis, you sure
> >> pretend to know a lot about farming.
>
> >> I don't have no stinkin' mule but I live on 106 acres and my brother
> >> and I jointly own 200 acres about 50 miles down the road. The only
> >> farming I do here is pine trees.
>
> >> My neighbor has 600+ acres on which he raises Texas Longhorns.
> >> Neighbor on the other side has 2000 acres on which he raises cattle
> >> and a few horses. Just the other side of the 600 acre ranch is
> >> another
> >> 2000 acre place with a big lake out in front by the road. Far as i
> >> know all they do there is bale hay and sell it. No farm or ranch
> >> corporations around here.
>
> >> C...
>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
>
> >> On Sep 5, 2009, at 5:15 PM, Hollywood <[email protected]>
> >> wrote:
>
> >>> Charlie,
>
> >>> Most? Well maybe if you have just 10 acres and a freakin' mule you
> >>> don't. You don't know much about the modern agribusiness, do you?
>
> >>> On Sep 5, 5:11 pm, Charlie Pratt <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>> I know that most don't.
>
> >>>> C...
>
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
>
> >>>> On Sep 5, 2009, at 11:23 AM, Hollywood
> >>>> <[email protected]>
> >>>> wrote:
>
> >>>>> Charlie,
> >>>>> You don't know that many farmers form corporations? Are you
> >>>>> joking?
>
> >>>>> On Sep 5, 10:46 am, Charlie Pratt <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>>> How could giving individual farmers money to not plant certain
> >>>>>> crops
> >>>>>> possibly be construed as corporate welfare?
>
> >>>>>> C...
>
> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>
> >>>>>> On Sep 5, 2009, at 9:35 AM, Hollywood
> >>>>>> <[email protected]>
> >>>>>> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>> Pred,
>
> >>>>>>> Don't you remember? Your problem with "welfare" is giving your
> >>>>>>> money
> >>>>>>> to people for no productive reason and w/o your permission. How
> >>>>>>> can
> >>>>>>> farmland that is NOT being farmed produce crops, profitable or
> >>>>>>> otherwise? How is keeping food prices artificially high, using
> >>>>>>> your
> >>>>>>> money, helping YOU? It's always about you, remember?
>
> >>>>>>> On Sep 5, 5:36 am, [email protected] wrote:
> >>>>>>>> In a message dated 9/3/2009 11:16:20 AM Central Daylight Time,
>
> >>>>>>>> [email protected] writes:
>
> >>>>>>>> OK, here is your first of six. Source: The Washington Post,
> >>>>>>>> article
> >>>>>>>> published July 11, 2008
>
> >>>>>>>> Quote; "Under pressure from farmers, livestock producers and
> >>>>>>>> SOARING
> >>>>>>>> FOOD PRICES, the U.S. Dept. of Agriculture is weighing a
> >>>>>>>> proposal
> >>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>> could lead to the plowing of millions of acres of land that had
> >>>>>>>> been
> >>>>>>>> set aside for conservation. At issue is the Conservation
> >>>>>>>> reserve
> >>>>>>>> program, under which THE GOVERNMENT HAS PAID FARMERS TO STOP
> >>>>>>>> GROWING
> >>>>>>>> ROW CROPS SUCH AS CORN AND SOTBEANS. Designed in the mid-80's
> >>>>>>>> (Reagan
> >>>>>>>> era) to HOLD DOWN PRODUCTION AND BOLSTER COMMODITY PRIVES, the
> >>>>>>>> $1.8
> >>>>>>>> billion a year program............?"
>
> >>>>>>>> All caps added by me to provide emphasis.
>
> >>>>>>>> Now :Pred, do your accept this as example #1 or do you wish to
> >>>>>>>> refute?
> >>>>>>>> I'd say paying people to not work and artificially
> >>>>>>>> manipulating
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> supply of a product to increase it's value using tax-payer
> >>>>>>>> money to
> >>>>>>>> do so is definately "welfare" for that particular industry.
> >>>>>>>> Wouldn't
> >>>>>>>> you?
>
> >>>>>>>> Of course I refute it. Not even close to an example of
> >>>>>>>> corporate
> >>>>>>>> welfare.
> >>>>>>>> Under the guise of soil conservation the government is paying
> >>>>>>>> farmers not to
> >>>>>>>> plant certain acerage that the government deems at risk.
> >>>>>>>> None of
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> governments business. When the government seeks to reduce your
> >>>>>>>> private property
> >>>>>>>> usage, the government simply must compensate. And the program
> >>>>>>>> was
> >>>>>>>> started
> >>>>>>>> in the 50's.
> >>>>>>>> As a personal aside, I sought out the Conservation Reserve to
> >>>>>>>> plant
> >>>>>>>> grass
> >>>>>>>> and build ponds on my property 25 years ago. If you accept
> >>>>>>>> their
> >>>>>>>> money, you
> >>>>>>>> must abide by regulations I couldn't. Plant what they say, cut
> >>>>>>>> grass when
> >>>>>>>> they say, fertilize when they say, no grazing. Lake building
> >>>>>>>> per
> >>>>>>>> their
> >>>>>>>> regulations include size, depth, habitat surrounding, care and
> >>>>>>>> management. I
> >>>>>>>> told them to stick it and paid myself.
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