Dear all, I have read with alot concern the different ideas about different issues being raised in this forum. Let me just add to the long list; I read with simpathy alot of arguments and anger from people in support of government against people who are opposing the government. If we dont have constructive arguments and discussion, I highly doubt if we can have a constructive development. If we say there is democracy, we must be tolerable to each other's views. We were in bitter opposition, so what has changed or what do we hope to achieve in this new strategy of being yes people to the government. If I can remember very well, the contract for Karuma-Arua Road was signed with anger on TV when Arua people showed overwelming support for opposition. I am very sure this strategy will not work again but let us rethink constructively a new strategy. Let us set our princeples very clear and start development based negotiations with the government if we need to change our position. Basoga have voted overwhelmingly all the time, I dont have a clear and constructive record of better development in their area, may be I need help here. The government has the responsibility to do development, we are not just begging. We cannot change our position when we receive a "bag" of salt and we know very well that this is our tax which somebody has the liberty to throw around to those who are making 'noise" We should also know that not all our problems can be solved by the government, some of them are caused by ourselves and therefore we should be able to handle them. As West Nile Forum, let us identify issues we are responsible for and those for government and we make each responsible. I think the best for us would be to do research in different areas of development like Agriculture, Education, Environment and social status of the region and identify areas that critically need action and we start pressing the government to act and make the government accountable to us. I cannot just be blindfolded with a "bag" of salt when the taxes I pay everymonth can buy more than 2000 bags every month. We need concrete solutions not just campaign strategies for votes. I dont agree that more districts translate into more jobs and eventually development. I think the status we had before many districts was better than now when we have more districts. Perfomances in West Nile have worsened, Food has dried, roads have become worse etc. so what has the new districts added? Munduru
--- On Tue, 1/26/10, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: [WestNileNet] Re: WestNileNet Digest, Vol 17, Issue 54 To: "A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile" <[email protected]> Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 12:25 AM Hello everyone, Happy 2010. I love the discourse on the regional tier. The whole idea came in because M7 was trying to pool tribal connections to appease them more especiaally the baganda. Now we may wish to know that the human capital requirements for this level of government may be avail in the westnile region but how much control will they have in real terms in governance. Our problems many of you know are extreme lack of social service delivery. Ever known how many people died due to hunger the last dry spell? Now brethren this is a wake up call for all of us. How many jobs are created when districts are created?How many graduates can be accomadated by the districts any way? It is just the divide and rule mecahnism of M7. Did you know that the minister of state for transport portfolio has been with us for 10 years and we have not 'tarmacked' the run way in Arua airfield let alone fix the arua-koboko road? Aware that the min. state for energy has been in our docket for 5 years and we have no nyagak? yet finance general duties is also a westniler? My dear all, unless we get focussed selfless legislators to push for the region and not for individual vurra, terego, maracha, etc, we are disappering from the map. It bothers me that young people out there are too afraid to take political risks. Please, i challenge you in your various capacities to take leadlership roles so that our people don't get wiped out everywise. God bless,Tina Yosa Wawa writes: > > > Dear Avudria, > > One might want to add that it is another level of government that has to be > paid for. > With the relatively too many ministers, districts, RDCs, CL V Chair persons + > their goverments one might > want to think again to add another level of government. > > By way of taking services nearer to the people, I agree with any idea of > giving Madi Okolo a district status. Maracha and Terego could form two > separate districts. Vura? They may want their own district and I will let > them have it. This is where there are bound to be many jobs - twon councils, > MP (at least women MPs, district CLG and relevant administration) and service > delivery etc > > At the end of the day Arua belongs to all of us. It will continue to be our > regional capital. Outside West Nile, we often say we come from Arua. It is > only in Arua that we say we from Ayivu, Koboko, Maracha, Terego and Yumbe, to > mention but a few. > > Best wishes to you all. > > Yosa Wawa > > Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 12:13:24 -0600 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: [WestNileNet] Re: WestNileNet Digest, Vol 17, Issue 54 > > Dear brothers and sisters, > I am not sure who posted the Regional Tier System for discussion? Honestly, >How can the regional Tier System help to resolve some of the chronic problems >facing our commuity? > a) Education systems is crambling down > b) The economy is hurting the ordinary people. The commom man/woman is > becoming poorer and poorer > C) healthcare is on constand decline. Only those who can afford to pay can > get treatment for their ailments. > As educated, resourceful young men/women, I think we should invest our >efforts and time on solving realistic problems. Find solutions that can >alleviate some of these grave problems facing our communities. > Discussing high level policy issues like Regional Tier System will never >get close to the hands of the people who initiate and iplement these >policies? Although it may be intellectually refreshing to discuss these >issues, how does it benefit the majority? Why should we continue to waste time >on this anyway? > I believe we should focus our attention on real challenges that can change >lives of the ordinary people than euphoria???. Even if Regional Tier System >is good, we do not have machinery to make it work to our benefit. Let go >this Regional Tier Sytem for for now. Let's put effort to improve: > 1) Education system in our region > 2) The Economy > 3) Health care delivery > 4) Community Development initiatives > > On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 8:46 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Send WestNileNet mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of WestNileNet digest..." > > Today's Topics: > 1. Re: Fw: New members (DRAMADRI JOSEPH) > 2. Re: Arrival in India (Robert Ejiku) > 3. New member (Sam Ejibua) > 4. Re: Regional Tier (Vasco Oguzua) > 5. West Nile Foundation (JohnAJackson) > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 09:22:32 +0000 (GMT) > From: DRAMADRI JOSEPH <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] Fw: New members > To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > Kigs, > Kindly add [email protected] > Thanks. > Dramadri Joseph > > --- On Sat, 23/1/10, Kiggundu Mukasa <[email protected]> wrote: > > From: Kiggundu Mukasa <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] Fw: New members > To: "A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile" <[email protected]> > Date: Saturday, 23 January, 2010, 8:37 > > done > On Jan 23, 2010, at 9:39 AM, JIMMY AWUZU wrote: >> >> >> --- On Fri, 1/22/10, JIMMY AWUZU <[email protected]> wrote: >>> From: JIMMY AWUZU <[email protected]> >>> Subject: New members >>> To: [email protected] >>> Date: Friday, January 22, 2010, 10:34 PM >>> Dear Adminstrator, >>> Could you add for me these honourable sons of West Nile as >>> members please?Thanx. >>> [email protected];[email protected] >>> and [email protected] >>> Jimmy Angubo Awuzu >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> WestNileNet mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet >> % WestNileNet is generously hosted by INFOCOM http:// >> www.infocom.co.ug/ >> >> The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including >> attachments if any). 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I am > kind of surprised by this observation, especially from some one like Charles > whom I would consider a learned intellectual with the ability to rationally > understand, analyze and interpret if there is any relationship between the > development of Uganda in general or West Nile with respect to the legimimate > government. Is it not the responsibility of this legitimate government to > proivide services to the citizens who have given them the legitimacy to rule. > Must the same citizens sit quiet whe services are no provided to them by this > legitimate government? If the basic services for the well being of the > citizens are not provided by the legitimate government, who should the poor > citizens ask? > The argument Mr. Male has made about the many colleagues working for the > government and or receiving funding from the government thus the danger for > their jobs or funding is exactly what I already mentioned in my previous > article that, the citizens are being made to feel the government is doing > them a favour by being employed in the civil service or the funding received. > What I do not understand is whether these employments or funding are favours > and not legitimate, though legitimate government should have professional > civil service and funding for activities of its citizen. > > The naive observation made by Mr. Male was due to his personal > misunderstanding of the context in which I wrote that article and I think Mr. > Benard tried to assist Male in understanding the context of my article. > However, I was and am not surprised by Mr. Males views for he has in the past > directly attacked other counties in West Nile who have MPs not aligned with > the government and blames the lack of development in West Nile to the fact > that we have opposition MPs in the government. The only question I have ever > asked Mr. Male is that has the counties in West Nile who have MPs supporting > the legitimate government developed better than the other counties which have > opposition MPs? To this question I have never received an answer. > > What Mr. Male has failed to see is the suffering of the citizens when they > cannot afford the basic amenities of life as normal human beings. The reason > why we are at this stage of discussing the development of West Nile region is > because the government has failed in its role as the caretaker of the > citizens. Can Mr. Male tell me why there are more NGOs in Uganda now than > before 25 to 30 years ago? While we discuss West Nile development on this > forum we must bear in mind that we are doing so because of enormous failure > of a legitimate government. The citizens of a country must not be from a > government, because they own the government as they are the ones that vote in > the government and if legitimate government has not provided the basic > necessities of living to the citizens, the citizens have an obligation and a > right to question the legitimate government. > > But one fact is clear and still remains, that we have a failed government in > Uganda that does not cater for the basic needs of the citizen and I have > mentioned three areas, of Education, Health and Agriculture and would Mr. > Male to tell me where the government has done some exemplary work, it alone > travelling from Koboko to Maracha Hospital by car taking almost when it is > only a distance of less than 12 miles. > > If this article I wrote is perceived by Mr. Male as being against the > government and not in his favour that he wants to be removed from the forum, > I am not surprised because this is the same Male who expressed a strong > rejection for the West Nile forum at the early stages of the this Forum and > wanted this forum to be based on tribal bases or local affiliations as he has > done with the Koboko forum. I think we are and can be larger than the > individual. > Mr. Male must know that a legitimate government that does not provide for the > citizens that voted in the legitimate government is a failed and I repeat a > FAILED legitimate government. > > Thank you. > > Vasco Oguzua > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Reinvent how you stay in touch with the new Windows Live Messenger. > http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9706116 > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://orion.kym.net/pipermail/westnilenet/attachments/20100125/23fac17b/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 08:46:04 -0600 > From: JohnAJackson <[email protected]> > Subject: [WestNileNet] West Nile Foundation > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > Dear Colleageues, > The president of WNF posted this message for commemnds, suggestions, > recommendations or discussion. > We need you help on this iissue. This issue has been marred by other topics > that cropped up. Please give us you commends > Ladies and Gentlemen, We invite discussions on this topic. As you are > aware, we are all busy people who are highly committed in our respective > callings. The Foundation as you have seen from the message from your > leadership has great ideas which it must start implementing. > For things to move forward, we need an administrator/coordinator who will be > a > volunteer but with some remunerations. He/She can work say three times a > day. We can get a laptop, air time for the Internet, and facilitate the > person in the event of upcountry assignments. Such a person can be a > graduate and be in charge of our programs like the Development of our > Strategic plan, Vision and mission statement. She/He will coordinate all > our activities. > We intend to charge a yearly subscription fee which we > shall discuss latter. > Thanks > Remember we are all busy professionals in our careers. How do we mobe ahead > to implement the WNF agenda? > Organizing meeting in the evenings once a while or weekends, whenever is > not effective in making the agenda of WNF materialize. > The need to have someone coordianate activities is very agent if we want WNF > to be successful. > Your suggestions, opinion, commends, recommendations will be appreciated > Avudria > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://orion.kym.net/pipermail/westnilenet/attachments/20100125/ea1ecf79/attachment.html > > ------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > WestNileNet mailing list > [email protected] > http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet > > End of WestNileNet Digest, Vol 17, Issue 54 > ******************************************* > >_________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live: Friends get your Flickr, Yelp, and Digg updates when they > e-mail you. > http://www.microsoft.com/middleeast/windows/windowslive/see-it-in-action/social-network-basics.aspx?ocid=PID23461::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-xm:SI_SB_3:092010 _______________________________________________ WestNileNet mailing list [email protected] http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet % WestNileNet is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). 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