Dear Brothers and sisters.
This should be the time we need to think of the future generations. We have
seen political suffering where some of us in 1979 to 1990’s eat what was by
then nick named totobi and Osubi (Ngete) in Democratic Republic of Congo
formerly Zaire and some of us were called Lule chased away from houses in Juba
Southern Sudan yei and several other places. Those years did gave us enough
experience of political pain. Leaving the political suffering even some of us
had suffered in our families due to alcoholic parents and drug abuse which we
never that of having a serious problems to our lives. I think the list of PhD
holder should have been more and not our ages alone but our elders should have
given us an example. However today some of has the pain from the parental
physical abuse and Substance abuse including neglect. In parental physical
abuse is any non accidental injury to the child and this includes striking,
kicking, burning or biting the child. Also any action that resulted in
physical impairments of the child or denying of the child to continue with
education and all these we went through. Parental Substance abuse is an
exposing some of to harmful due to the parents use alcohol, Tobacco and other
substance of abuse like (Mabira drug) Marungi Mira, Opium Marijuana and several
others these are in regards to sexual abuse. To some of us our mothers used to
distilling alcohol for our school fees and at that process we are kept a wake
until late hours because our mother’s customers were also drinking and she also
wants the finish distilling the alcohol. In other wards children were allowed
to participate at the process of distilling and selling the alcohol (waregi or
Nguli and Kwete) especially girls and at that process again the girls were
forced to test before the customer takes it. However some of us were exposed
to early alcohol abuse and other substance of abuse. Some of us were neglected
during child hood, some our parents were not responsible to provide us least
things for child developments. For example some of us were not given the
child’s care deprived from some nutritious meals for child’s growth; clothing,
shelter, medical attention and supervision like child health, safety including
well-being are threatened with harm. Because of all these a lot of us have
developed paranoid, delusions of harm including emotional abuse. In some wards
if any individual say some that has no connection of hurting any body but
because of the inner feeling some of us become so violent. But brothers let us
be our own counselors and set up a good example as intellectuals.
Best wishes,
Arike
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To: [email protected]
Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 11:18:11 -0400
Subject: [WestNileNet] RE: WestNileNet Digest, Vol 21, Issue 37
Christine,
You have no reason to apologize and we can not be apologists when trying to
find ways of addressing Development issue in West Nile. We have a
responsibility to demand from the government what is due to the people of West
Nile. We also have the responsibility of educating our people who may not be
aware of their rights and obligations as citizens of this Uganda. Not everyone
in West Nile has to advocate the NRM doctrine of divide and rule and fear
mongering before the NRM government can provide help to the people whenever
there is need and if the NRM officials in West Nile were not able to do that
why should it be sin to ask these NRM officials for what is supposed to be
their duty for which they are even paid. This NRM doctrine of intimidation of
the people so that people should not say anything or ask any questions should
not be tolerated on this forum period.
If we have NRM leaders in West Nile why would they not use their position as
people in government to bring real services to the region. I can now see why we
jumped on the band wagon of the Public University as being the only issue to be
talked about on this forum - because it came from the only visionary person in
Uganda , the NRM leader ( as if we people in West Nile have no brains to
determione what we want) we must follow what the leader says. I guess we are
still living in the military doctrine of no questions, you have to follow the
leader and ask questions later after you have obeyed the leader and done what
he has commanded you to do.
If these issues Christine has narrated are distorted or skewed let whoever
disagrees with it put his or her position and tell us the truth which Christine
may have distorted, instead asking her to apologize and ridicule her. Let those
who disagree with her position put their position and what they know so that we
may also be educated as Christine is educating us on some of these issues.
I thank you all
Vasco
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> From: christine munduru <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] I have done something for this country
> To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile <[email protected]>
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> Dear all,
> Now let me tell you why I cannot apologize to Mike.
> Take an example of the hunger project. At that time people died in Westnile
> while people were also dying in the East of hunger. Alot of noise was made
> for eastern region and gvt took food there. why is that gvt didnt take food
> to westnile? where were are gvt officials, leaders, and our big people in
> NRM? Why didnt our leaders use their positions to lobby the gvt food for
> Westnile? Are Westnilers second class citizens? All our leaders stood and
> watched. Then WNF organized money from individual pockets to buy food. Do we
> think that we didnt have a right to ask for food from gvt like Easterners?
> Because members here think we should not say anything about gvt and that gvt
> will see our misery and run to our rescue, we just keep quite and waited
> invain. Such are the benefits of keeping quite.
>
> In my opinion, in addition to the money we collected, we would have hold gvt
> accountable.People have the right to food! and It is a a gvt committment.
> Westnilers are not an exception. If it is known that the whole of Westnile is
> united for one cause even after the several divisions, I dont think nothing
> will be done.
>
> Then one of these officials circastically tell us when we are raising such
> issues that, "I will see when these messages of yours reach the rightful
> people" Excuse me! this was an absolute abuse to this forum. I am only
> suprised that we condon such acts in this forum. I could not afford putting
> such a person on the spot. For example, we have seen people like James of
> Gaagaa and Afema Robert of MTN using their positions to help the community
> and we are very grateful to them. When will our gvt people use their
> positions to the benefit of the community? Should we leave them to sleep when
> there are serious issues they should be helping in?
>
> Therefore, I have no reason to apologize to Mike and Akile for the reasons
> explained in the different emails. If his deregistration was as a result of
> this, how unfortunate, in such a forum we need shock absorbers.
>
> We cannot avoid the gvt if we are talking about devt in westnile. For
> example, the issue of poor performance in schools. H/Ms tell us they are
> handed over names of already admitted students, they never do selection. More
> number of students are admitted to the school than the capacity of the
> school, children are being taught in vernacular but they sit exams in
> English, children never fail but they just pass automatically etc. If we want
> to adress the issue of poor performance, how do we do it without putting
> these to gvt because these are gvt policies?
>
> By the way all these communications are under gvt radar, that is why some
> people may not talk here and we shouldnt be suprised that the gvt is
> monitoring and planning how to silence such a unity because divide and rule
> is the policy not unity and some of these cracks we have on the forum may be
> a clear indication when you understand some of these communications
> exchange.
>
> But if we had one strong voice we would still succeed,but if we are already
> creating fear, intimidation, and are happy with uninformed and illiterate
> communities who do not know their rights and cannot demand for the most basic
> rights. I am totally scared about the type of development we are talking
> about. I dont think we are going to pull money every time from the already
> heavily taxed salaries to cause a sustainable development in WN.
>
> All of us show the reaction of the gvt to the inferno of Kasubi tombs, the
> Baganda came solid and stuck to their guns.To me this was an indication of
> how powerful unity of the people can be. The unity of Westnile could be as
> powerful as this or even more if we are solid!
>
> But with the kind of two seemingly different sides created and with the
> behind the seens politics on going in this forum, we are too far from the one
> strong voice that would propel us. There seems to be an attituted of wanting
> to hear from the "usual" voices we belong to, the others, it doesnt matter
> whether they are right or wrong must be rubished or we pick the least thing
> and blow it out.( I dont mean this is correct but highly possible)
> So you(this forum) can now decide my fate. I am not apologizing and not
> deregistering myself.
>
> "Our Lives Begin to End the day we Become Silent" Martin Luther King Jr.
>
> Thanks for all your efforts to develop Westnile.
>
> Christine
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Sunday Akile <[email protected]>
> To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile <[email protected]>
> Sent: Sat, May 8, 2010 12:59:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] I have done something for this country
>
> Anthony,
>
> You are right. Typically of most of our extended families, i grew up in a
> very large home. I ve been brought to think and behave in the way that once i
> have something good for a stranger i should share with him/her with the
> right mannerism or else they can reject it.I should not run about with it
> towards the stranger like a rabbied dog which is about to bite at any point.
>
> I have noted of late that some of our brilliant friends on this forum have
> failed to market their point well.They have good issues that affect us all.
> Why should they loose by wanting to jump over necks, heads, legs for the
> sake of selling their point?.
>
> This is deterent to many members who have subscribed to this forum but have
> chosen to spectate at the sidelines as the Akile's and Bugasons are struck
> left, right, center for simply causing polite advise and opinion.
>
> No, No. It must stop.I call for a big brother at this point.
>
> Akile Sunday
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: William Worodria <[email protected]>
> To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile <[email protected]>
> Sent: Sat, May 8, 2010 10:47:03 AM
> Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] I have done something for this country
>
>
> Anthony,
>
> It could not be said in better terms. Cut the rhetoric.....We need all hands
> aboard!!
>
> Worodria
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: anthony ajiku <[email protected]>
> To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile <[email protected]>
> Sent: Fri, 7 May, 2010 19:36:36
> Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] I have done something for this country
>
>
> Akile, you mustn't labour to isolate your brilliant side or rather
> achievements in any way under any form of provocation, atleast i know
> you...........
>
> best known in your proffession 'res ipsa laquito'.
>
> I think we need to go back, as far back as when the forum was born.........
>
> There is a total derailment or rather deviation from the original objectives.
> I remember issues linked to supporting or not supporting, liking or not
> liking, voting or not voting the sitting Government or politician(s) of any
> grade,nature and origin where never part of this initiative, very
> unfortunately this virus is back.
>
> you will also notice that there's less and less indulgence on this forum than
> before, and that should be a big worry.............
>
> The hugest fear is that the Forum is dying faster than it started
>
> Lots of practical and excellent ideas and discussions have evolved in, on,
> and from this forum but non has stood the test of time,
>
> Excuse my language but we are like 'unguided missiles' and in such
> circumstances we start to go trivial and attacking individuals.
>
> Like my brother Patrick submitted last week, we need to go off alittle from
> punching away on our laptops, palm tops, netbooks, desktops and any other
> E-tops to some sort of practical convening, but again, here some person(s)
> must champion this...............
>
> I challenge the mantle in the bracket of steering this forum to re invent and
> very fundamentaly practicalise the ideas floated herein by many.
>
> Interestingly many of us are known to each other by the names we meet every
> time we logon, it probably should not be that way..............
>
>
> Kind regards
> Anthony
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Sunday Akile <[email protected]>
> To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile <[email protected]>
> Sent: Thu, May 6, 2010 7:13:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] I have done something for this country
>
>
> Rogers,
>
> With much respect to you for what you have said about me,I entirely concure
> with your advise to all of us on this forum. I salute you for attempting to
> enumerate a number of achievements on my part.I know could even say more on a
> serious note. But all in our own rights no one is a failure. We all have
> something to either boast of or at least tell our children. When i see every
> one around me i see achievements from them all.
>
> Well, besides the numerous cases that i have represented as a lawyer, i have
> not been doing badly in most of them.(I would not like to sound like i am
> advertising myself because my proffession does not like it) All these records
> are there. For Example in Tax matters with in this country whether against
> URA or any other body or individual it has not been bad for me either, many
> Tax payers and URA officials will testify about my contribution to the Tax
> Jurisprudence in Uganda.Which is not only to the benefit of tax payers but to
> URA too.
> Last week on 29th & 30th of April because of the recognition for my
> contribution in that area, i was part of a big Confrence which drew Tax
> bodies from the region- Kenya, Tanzania, Rwanda, Zambia and Uganda. Our own
> elder of the region, Mr. Feta Martin was also a resource person in this
> confrence at Hotel Protea.
>
> Over the years as lawyer, i have and other members of the science fraternity
> have been studying areas of Biotechnology and it's safety once it is
> introduced in Uganda. I have been a very resourceful person from the legal
> point of view in that area. Out of our effort, policy was for the first time
> in this area put in place by Government in the year 2008. Against this
> backdrop, some of us had to contribute numerous Articles in the newspapers
> and kind medias so as to defuse opposing members of public in this area
> before Government could pass a policy to regulate it's use in Uganda. Now
> with a team of an ad-hoc committee the task we have at hand is to see that
> the Biosafety law is passed before the next election.
>
> On the 23rd day April 2010, i was appointed by the Uganda National Council
> for Science and Technology which is under Ministry of Finance, to be a member
> of the National Biosafety Committee (as lawyer) out of 15 members . I must
> say this was not for any patronage or who knows who but because of my
> contribution to this area in uganda.
>
> My friends let us embrace one another with respect. If you have a point
> market it well and it will be taken. You don't have to market in a manner
> that can deter other prospective consumers who will end up suspecting the
> motive of the marketier.
>
> Thanx Roggers i will keep your sister, niece and nephew well. Your envy is my
> joy.And i want to see you there.
>
> Akile Sunday Igu Rocks.
> Managing Partner,
> M/s Akile, Olok & Co. Advocates
> 5th Floor Greenland Towers,
> P.o Box 36530 K'la
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Rogers Anguzu <[email protected]>
> To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile <[email protected]>
> Sent: Thu, May 6, 2010 3:19:17 PM
> Subject: [WestNileNet] WestNileNet Digest, Vol 21, Issue 18
>
>
> Dear Vasco Oguzua,
>
> It is Ok to have queries about this government and not to like it, but don’t
> let this impair your visibility or ability to read or you might be the one
> with a skewed mind here (Just in case to you that is not abusive)
> Read Christine’s email below again and them compose your response to Ben and
> Alaka again;
>
> On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 10:47 AM, christine munduru <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Akile, you are right to be mesmarised because there is no action of
> > yours which has also worked. (This is an attack on the person of Akile,
> > those of us who know him personally know at least has done one or 2 things
> > that have worked, he is a lawyer and has agued some cases in court and has
> > won some, he has convinced my good friend’s tough daughter and has married
> > her and they have 2 nice babies who they look after in a way that I envy,
> > he has made good contributions in intellectual debates when we have met
> > under this WNF, he sat in for me when mobilizing for the Asiku home coming
> > drive and it went very well if you read the press reports and many other
> > things so it is wrong to say Akile has never done a thing right, may be his
> > political idea might be wrong but Akile the person has done somethings
> > right – so all we are saying is judge Akile’s political view NOT the
> > person) But my understanding is that many of you do not understand the
> > arguments
> here, so it is of no importance to continue. If you have a skewed mind for
> what ever reason,(This would mean Christine is insinuating someone has a
> skewed mind, NOT Idea thus attacking a person not an idea, all we are asking
> is let us stick to the ideas not the persons) you fail to objectively
> understand that a coin has tow sides. For now let us believe like you that a
> coin has only one side and we rest this topic.
> >
> > Christine
>
> In another email, Christine writes;If I am not mistaken you are one of the
> people in government who should know that we are not happy of the services
> because our people are suffering? I understand the fact that you cant bite
> the hand that feeds you but what about your next generation?(This in my view
> is another attack on Mike who is not the only person being fed by the
> government, we all are in one way or another even if you are in the private
> sector, the government still provides the environment in which you operate
> and in some cases is one of the biggest client, if you have a view in which
> we can take our view to the governemnet and you think a member can help by
> their position in any organization, then get to him and see how you can work
> it out together with the President of the foundation and then inform us the
> members on what the problem is, what your suggested solution is and what you
> think members should do then lets debate!)
>
>
> In my view I demand Christine Munduru MUST apologise to Akile, Bugason (Even
> if in his absentia, since he had requested to be unsubscribed because of such
> attacks) and the Forum for such personal attacks.And now, I beg all members
> to talk as TOUGH as they want but limit their talk on ideas NEVER attacking
> persons.
>
> As Christine her selves put it "OUR LIVES BEGIN TO END THE DAY WE BECOME
> SILENT ABOUT THINGS THAT MATTER" Martin Luther Jr.
> I love this piece, it speaks alot to us
>
> To me RESPECT for each other is important, CHRISTINE must apologise for her
> wrongs.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Rogers
>
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