Dear Tabani, Thanks for at least educating me on when you taught in Ombaci, much I had known you for all those years we were together in Lesotho. I am not sure if you ever talked or discussed your teaching memories at Ombaci with us when we were in Lesotho. The unfortunate illusions Museveni created in 1986 when he came to power, the 10 point plan which he articulated and many of his lies he talked of when he took power fooled many, including me and many of his followers who fought with him in the bush. Examining what he said when he came to power in 1986 to his actions over the years fooled many who probably were his more avid supporters than the comments I made. Think of why many who fought with him and started working with him left himand his NRM. I could not understand why you think my honest questioning of when you taught at Ombaci was an ammunition and demeaning. The question is ammunition for what? What are you afraid of when you are asked to elaborate on your statements? At least I provided my reason for why I needed you to verify when you taught at Ombaci knowing very well that since you finished your University education at Lesotho you had not gone back to work in Uganda. I do not know if there was any statement I made which was not factual that it was demeaning you or intended to demean you. If there was any at all, then I will say I am sorry. At the same time you may need to reflect on some of what you say or write of other people, and assess them critically to find out if what you write could equally be demeaning, especially when it is an intellectual debate. While it is not bad to rely on what other people tell you about what is happening in Uganda, it may also be good for you to understand what people who are physically experiencing what is happening in Uganda and writing from physical experience on the ground, otherwise there is a fundamental problem in your assertions as you write them. You need to to at least have the courtesy to address people you are debating issues as an intellectual (as per your statement). One can have fundamental disagreement with respect and courtesy for the people they disagree with, which you lack as I have observed over a long period of time on this forum. There is nothing wrong for one to hold a different view on an issue but discuss the issue and respect for the people you are presenting your views to, instead of calling names and using a rude language as one of the ladies on the forum noted. I do not have anything more to debate with you on this particular issue, and I want to assure you that my questioning of when you taught in Ombaci was not to demean you as you may have thought. The unfortunate thing which I guess you forgot in your memory either deliberately or otherwise, is how we used to fight with some of the Rwandese who were with us in Lesotho who pretended to be Ugandans, but when Kagame took over in Rwanda, they immediately became Rwandese. I am sure you remember how they tried to sabotage us and our parties by calling us Amin's people (we from West Nile) those days and taking the issues to some of the University and government officials. Had it not been because I had a good relationship with some of the government and military officials and some of the Staff at the University Administration, we would have some troubles in Lesotho. I will not dwell on that because I think you know that and experienced it, and I hope you can remember that history and do your own rebuffing of your statement about how I used to praise Museveni. Good to hear that you are doing well and breathing the atmospheric pressure of Southern Africa. While we are here trying to breath air, for you you are breathing the atmospheric pressure. Please be careful not to breath high atmospheric pressure or low atmospheric pressure because they could be detrimental to your lungs. Calm down and let us all breath air, not atmospheric pressure. Have a great time and my kind regards to you. Vasco
> From: westnilenet-requ...@kym.net > Subject: WestNileNet Digest, Vol 34, Issue 37 > To: westnilenet@kym.net > Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 16:54:54 +0300 > > Send WestNileNet mailing list submissions to > westnilenet@kym.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > westnilenet-requ...@kym.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > westnilenet-ow...@kym.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of WestNileNet digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Our Uganda (Dimba Tabani Patrick) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 06:52:57 -0700 (PDT) > From: Dimba Tabani Patrick <ptab...@yahoo.com> > To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile <westnilenet@kym.net> > Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] Our Uganda > Message-ID: <357233.95607...@web160918.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Goodmorning Vasco.I am okay breathing the atmospheric pressure of Southern > Africa nicely.There is misconception brought in by you which may need > withdrawal.I only knew you in Sudan in 1984 long before I taught at St > Joseph`s College Ombachi.To enlighten you i went to Busoga College Mwiri from > rural school in Maracha i.e Paranga.After my A-level.The late Rev Fr Mick and > his Deputy Mr Abiriga saw value in me and eventually employed me as ateacher > to teach English.I engaged together with a certain Dribidu who completed > A-level from Kitovu in Masaka.Now for you to provide ammunition in this > network is really uncalled for.You can ask former Chief of Maracha Mr Mathias > Ajuma to throw more light if you wish.My experience at Ombachi plus the > Catholic net-working propelled me to continue teaching in exile at JUBA DAY > SECONDARY SGHOOL in Sudan in 1984.That is exactly where i met you as > amechanic.In the same year you and i got sponsorship through UNHCR to come to > study in Lesotho.I really feel demeaned by your approach.I hated Mr Museni > while we were in Lesotho.Vasco you praised Museveni and encouraged people to > watch his bushwar videos in 1985.You saw good things in him by then.Now i > Patrick Tabani with my naivity sees sense in what he is doing.If the > President of Uganda goes public and advocates for construction of > ARUA--KOBOKO-ORABA road paid for by EUROPEAN UNION then why cant people in > the region capitalise on that follow its implementation vigorously.This can > only be done by pragmatic and dynamic leaders.The issue of Westnile is > blatant embezzlement of meagre resouces earmarked for developmental > activities.Just ask Mr Bwoch Gostivo from Auditor-general`s office in > Kampala.You will get shock of your life when you hear that all the > developmental money goes for TRAVEL CLAIMS by people of WESTNILE.So if Nyagak > isnot built for years then whom do you blame?People need service delivery but > not TRAVEL CLAIMS > > --- On Fri, 6/10/11, Vasco Oguzua <vogu...@gmail.com> wrote: > > From: Vasco Oguzua <vogu...@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] Our Uganda > To: "A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile" <westnilenet@kym.net> > Date: Friday, June 10, 2011, 4:37 PM > > > Patrick Tabani, > ? > I hope all is well with you and your family in Lesotho. I am doing fairly OK > here just came back from Uganda and I was there for about six weeks. As for > your messages I have been following on the Forum, I would beg to ask you if > your assertions?are based?on your personal imaginations or illusions or?your > statements are based on facts on the ground, ?and intense observation and > analysis of both the political and economic circumstances in the areas or > regions West Nile or Uganda. > > Secondly I would like to say that you definitely have your own opinions and > you are free to express them, and you have every reason to defend Museveni > and all his crooks?and thieves and the pain of poverty they have caused > Ugandans in general, but please try to make these statements based of facts. > > I realize you are excited about the propaganda of tarmacking Arua -Koboko > Road, but?I would like to remind you that it is not the first time these > budgets have been read, and with promises?to do this and that, 25 years later > these promises?have not been kept. A typical example is Nyagak which was > promised, and it?is almost over 10 years since that?promise, people in West > Nile are still darkness. The issues Draga alluded to are not his imaginations > but the true life of the?local people.? > > ? > While?you may think Museveni has done more for West Nile in 25 years than > what Amin and Obote did?in 16 years (8 years each), you may want to go back > to West Nile and look at the peoples life now and reflect back on the peoples > lives then for you to be able to make some of your what I would describe > naive statements. You may also want to mention the visible artifacts or > footprints of Museveni's 25 year rule against the combined 16 year rule of > Amin and Obote. I would argue that you are a product of that era, schools and > hospitals they built in West Nile are still sustaining the region, even > though with very delapidated infrastructure. Which are Musevenis schools and > Hospitals in West Nil, let alone the drugs in these hospitals. > > ? > It is also my view that you have read the cartoon?Mr. Achile?posted out of > contest, just as you have mis-interpreted what Mr Draga and Mr. Adiga > commented.?What Achile put was a political comic, and everywhere in this > globe comics are used for humour though they may depict the truth of what is > happening. Comics are visual means of of communicating or expression and I > wonder what you deciphered from the pictures for you to react in the way you > did in your response. > > ? > Also try to be factual in your presentation of arguments. I know you are a > teacher by profession,and I beg to ask?when you taught in Ombaci Secondary > School?? If you trained as a teacher at the National University of Lesotho > and since your graduation from the University you have never worked in > Uganda,?when did you then become a teacher in Ombaci? Or you mistakenly were > trying to state you were a student at Ombaci!! Perhaps you taught there as a > student teacher after your O-levels, and I am sure some of the Ombaci OB's > remember you or will remember you. > > ? > Lastly I would suggest you take emotion out of your communication so that > people can read the rational aspect of your arguments.?As an intellectual, > the debate should focus on the issue not on personal attacks or accusations. > With a good budget and your hero Museveni leading the cause, it is about time > you get back to Uganda to enjoy the benefits of all these goodies Museveni > has provided?for the people of West Nile in particular and for Ugandans in > general. > > You mentioned something about Museveni forgiving all soldiers under Amins > Government, perhaps to mean that they were done a favour by Museveni. It > would have been nice to know what crime they did that could only to be > forgiven by?Museveni. Were those not Government civil servants who happened > to be in the military? Museveni and his group were just anti-government > forces just like some of those Amin forces, it all depends on how these > things play out in the end. Next time do not be surprised when?it will be > pardoning Museveni's?forces. Who ever thought that with kind of Military Amin > had he would end up where he did, think about that !!!!!!! > > ? > Kind regards?to all those?comrades in Lesotho. > ? > Vasco? > On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Dimba Tabani Patrick <ptab...@yahoo.com> > wrote: > > > > > The National address by the President of Uganda reveal the following: > (1)ARUA-KOBOKO-ORABA tarmacdization of the ROAD > > ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? > (2)ATIAK-NIMULE? ROAD > > These are tangible projects.The projects will generate enormous job > opportunities for people of WESTNILE.Teamwork need to initiated vigorously by > the MPs from all sides.Eventually,a complete NETWORK of roads and NODES could > emerge in our region > > > > > From: Adiga Godi <godiad...@yahoo.com> > > To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile <westnilenet@kym.net> > Sent: Thu, June 9, 2011 4:54:34 PM > > Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] Our Uganda > > > > > > > Hi Dimba, > What programes for West Nile have been opposed by the people of West Nile? > Programe names opposed by the people would be ok so that we can assess what > they would mean to us. Only specifics are required. > Thanks. > Adiga Godi. > > > --- On Thu, 6/9/11, Dimba Tabani Patrick <ptab...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > From: Dimba Tabani Patrick <ptab...@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] Our Uganda > To: "A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile" <westnilenet@kym.net> > > Date: Thursday, June 9, 2011, 10:25 AM > > > > > > > > Goodmorning Carmello Draga.This is Patrick Tabani?? trying to draw your > attention to > > 1) stop insinuating circumstances or events which are not true (2)desist from > thinking that Patrick Tabani originates from Onduparaka (3)be academic and > mature in reasoning in connection with SUGAR plus its availability to Ugandan > communities at given time.As a former teacher at St Josephs College Ombachi i > really felt embarrassed with your scope and line of reasoning.I learnt alot? > from the late Rev Father Mick and Dr Milton Obote`s Parliamentary > debates.Secondly,it is not a sin to talk good of President Museveni. Was it > written in the Bible or Quaran that people who access Westnilenet should > reason like Draga Esq.Please give me a breathing space.I honestly ,think that > Westnile is far much better off under President MUSEVENI.The later forgave > all the soldiers who served under the late AMIN DADA Even Amin`s son General > Taban is ARUA. There is tarmacdised road from Karuma Falls up to Arua > town.More Districts have been created.This signals job > opportunities for capable Ugandans in Arua,Maracha,Koboko,Yumbe,Moyo and > Ajumani. In Economics there is trickle-down theory which is really > operational in Westnile.Let the local people capitalise on realistic > prospects which are tangible.To Honourable ALEX ONZIMA i say BRAVO.Please > team up with General MOSES ALI.Westnile needs pragmatic and dynamic leaders > to pursue developmental initiatives.WEST NILE should not OPPOSE NATIONAL > PROGRAMMES for the sake of appeasing Comrades DRAGA Esq and Godi Esq > > > > > From: Carmello Draga <cadraga2...@yahoo.com> > To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile <westnilenet@kym.net> > > Sent: Tue, June 7, 2011 6:28:29 AM > Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] Our Uganda > > > > > > > Patrick, > I do respect your views and in any case you are entitled to them, however you > should atleast have some smallest feeling of what society has at acertain > moment and thanks for giving some relevant example particularly from > Onduparaka in Arua?with a population bigger than?my and your families and > when they get gittery and crazy as you assert could be for some reasons and > if you are guarding the person of the president you should also guard freedom > of expression of others?though within limits,too.It is so disappointing to > hear from a scholar of this century that its PresidentMuseveni who introduced > sugar in Uganda,i thought sugar corporations like Lugazi,Kakira etal existed > before 1985 .Let me also dance to your dreaming music tune?of accepting that > the president actual brought sugar from the bush but was he alone? this > sounds like someone who during campains in?Arua said i quote"vote for YKM the > one who? brought mobile telecommunication lines > phones?that your mothers are now accessing from the village"I then asked > myself with an example of U S A who have door to door internet services > wether Americans are claiming or thinking?that it was President Bush or Obama > who brought this service to the Americans. > > Ebedde to date is still taken by 3/4s of the people in the villages of Arua > and you are really lucky to have your family or village away from Ebedde,i > wish you could share the idea of how you alleviated yourself and group in > isolation from what many see as a?worsening situation in west nile,may be?we > have different west Niles.You see when you strongly sound offended that kind > cartoon expression which had both the president and the Dr.?and?you have two > sides,positively?believing that it?is okay to have a cartoon of the other and > like wise make people predict afew things?,well if this kind of analysis is a > way of accessing the sweet potatoes or cassava for escorting the Ebedde you > are out of,?please let us know so that the 3/4s of the Ebedde takers will > also for atleast chrismas have tea with sugar,otherwise good luck > > > --- On Tue, 6/7/11, Dimba Tabani Patrick <ptab...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > From: Dimba Tabani Patrick <ptab...@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] Our Uganda > > To: "A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile" <westnilenet@kym.net> > Date: Tuesday, June 7, 2011, 3:11 AM > > > > > Our Uganda protrayed through demeaning picture of a RULING PRESIDENT was > really bad news.It showed weired mindset I was reminded of ONDUPARAKA in Arua > when people go crazy on hearing descending voice against COLONEL BESIGYE.A > ruling President of a country should be given RESPECT at all costs.Dr BESIGYE > to me is non entity as far as Ugandan politics is concerned.Where was this so > called DOCTOR when Ugandans were taking EBEDEE i.e OCOGO amandri > Ugandaari.Personally i was pissed off with the degrading pictures > > > > > > > From: Carmello Draga <cadraga2...@yahoo.com> > To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile <westnilenet@kym.net> > > Sent: Wed, May 18, 2011 8:08:54 AM > Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] Our Uganda > > > > > > This are the pictures of the year and i propose an honours?award for > Achile,what a brilliant art work and design-bravo you have made my > day,week,Month?Year and...........? > > --- On Tue, 5/17/11, Achile Fendru <fend...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > From: Achile Fendru <fend...@gmail.com> > Subject: [WestNileNet] Our Uganda > > To: WestNileNet@kym.net > Date: Tuesday, May 17, 2011, 12:56 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ? > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > ? > > ? > > > > > > > ? > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > > > _______________________________________________ > WestNileNet mailing list > WestNileNet@kym.net > http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet > > > WestNileNet is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ > > All Archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com/westnilenet@kym.net/ > > > The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including > attachments if any). 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