Dear Members, I think some of us are being too hard on Mr Atibuni Kefa by swaying him to consider de-registration.
Objectively, we should be accommodative of one another's conflicting views - look at both or otherwise all sides. It is true we have Sheiks, Hajis, Hajatis, Priests, Pastors, Nun, Eunuchs and the like on this forum. But the existence of these people should not crash an E-society like this forum. What Kefa posted happened to be the truth and is a little piece of the many social ills around us which we cannot shy from. I think his packaging was not very appealing to some members. He has some strong points to be discussed. His method of communication needs to be attended to. He is such a nice guy with some wealth of materials for the community. We cannot afford to lose people simply because they lack some required skills in communication. It is actually the responsibility of this forum to address issues of packaging and consequent communication. He needs help also, and the earlier the better NOT to force him to resign for use of 'offensive' materials. As a regular reader, I often read about materials that could be interpreted as offensive by some people, thus poisonous to even children or the under age. To be specific, boozing is unacceptable on religious grounds. Unfortunately, no pressure had been used to smoke out presenters. Nobody condemned converging to discuss, drink beer, dance, and enjoy Nyama choma (chickens or goat or beef or pork). Let us learn to behave normally and embrace one another. Holy angels live in Heaven (a Priest/Pastor out there can help me if I am wrong); where we are, we all are not perfect regardless of our varying educational levels, but we need one another. Please, I request the leadership of this forum to shelf indefinitely this issue of 'sieving out' Kefa for packaging error. 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Re: Fw: De-registration (Robert Ejiku) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 11:13:15 +0300 From: Robert Ejiku <[email protected]> To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] Fw: De-registration Message-ID: <cafactgvoal2fwxe245784ybtetmjc9ryjsff1-wx8nsqaht...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Christine, we can now let go of this as Kefa promptly apologized. We make his apology sound unacceptable by continuing with these arguments.. Good day my sister.. Ejiku On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 10:08 AM, Christine Munduru <[email protected]>wrote: > Thanks Richard for this comment and the questions you have raised. I > really dont think that nobody in this forum is still unaware of these > things happening but we are saying, whatever motive this person had, > it does not address any of the problems, instead it is a toxic > communication, it causes no alarm for anybody in this forum in my > view. If we need to sensitize our youth, this kind of packaging is > very toxic instead. I would go by Ejiku's comment that it was a > mistake, we should accept this was a mistake and should not be done > again in this forum instead of defending using lame excuses. As > leaders we should stand for something, not fall for everything. > > Christine > > On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Okuti Richard <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Now some humor to crown this discussion,**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Let?s learn and let go personally I feel differently about the >> postings especially after being one of the first people to caution >> the person who posted. There has been increased advancement in media >> and technology that everything you see, you must be careful to study >> and understand before you reach conclusions or share?**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Some of the questions that come to mind include;**** >> >> ** ** >> >> **1. **What was the motive of the photographer?**** >> >> **2. **Are these genuine original pictures? Were they taken in a >> public place etc**** >> >> **3. **Would this then be the best way to package a warning to the >> minors or parents?**** >> >> **4. **Many many more queries ?**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Personally I found them irrelevant for our group and indeed not in >> bad faith, but because they were very mixed what if adults in love >> may have thought they were private in some cases (Caught!)? And the >> story goes on and on. Some of them were actually disgusting and poor, >> if they were meant for warning or entertainment which ever way one >> looks at it.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> I love romance on the beach, in gardens and many other places (of >> course I do not make love in public places ?) but with todays media >> it is difficult to do this one has to watch out for spying >> information hangry hombres J. I actually even write about romance eg >> read twisted spirit on my blog: okuti.blogspot.com **** >> >> ** ** >> >> Anyway Men & Women of the forum life is a journey lets relax >> sometimes ** >> ** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> Richard**** >> >> ** ** >> >> *From:* [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] >> *On Behalf Of *Robert Ejiku >> *Sent:* Monday, July 23, 2012 9:37 PM >> >> *To:* A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile >> *Subject:* Re: [WestNileNet] Fw: De-registration**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Thanks Caleb, >> >> Interestingly if Kefa was just seeing this for the first time, these >> pictures have been beamed to the world before about two years ago >> supposedly taken from a park in Kisumu. >> >> Kamunye and the onion have these pictures on the front pages of their >> publications. Everytime you stop to buy papers these are the first >> things we see. >> >> This is an adult forum and I dont think it was really intended to >> cause its propagation but to demonstrate what our society has become. >> >> The church theft by the same argument could be naively interpreted as >> a war against our good christians, depicting them as thieves. Why >> believe in the church. I think it really tells has how far we have >> come or are prepared to go. >> >> My humble opinion. >> >> >> Ejiku**** >> >> On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 9:16 PM, Caleb Alaka <[email protected]> >> wrote:**** >> >> Kefa,**** >> >> ** ** >> >> This forum is not owned by any person. It is owned by you, me, and >> the rest. Having appropriately, conveyed your apologies, why have you >> decided to be de-registered. By the way, some person on the forum >> applauded your posting. I think I too did the same. We learn a lot >> from such forum. To seek your de-registration is to acknowledge that >> you are the problem. My humble opinion is that, we should inculcate >> the culture of tolerance of divergent views. This fora is a market >> place were ideas are traded. Not every one may buy the others idea >> and there is no rule of the thumb or universal interpretation for >> determining the morality of any posting. It is noteworthy that the >> starting point to the understanding any posting or document is that >> it must be read in its entirety and contextualise the same. What will >> those who are posturing and pontificating as moral crusaders do when >> a bisexual person wants his/her voice to be heard on this forum, >> shall we say that their we're no bisexual persons in the bible(what >> of Lots Story), shall we say that it's against African culture, (what >> will the scholars of African traditional Religion who knew that several African communities practiced the same say, Historians will tell u some thing else. >> Yes we have mothers, sisters, daughters aunties. But who said the >> posting at Botanical gardens was about the female gender alone, >> ev**** >> >> It was about irresponsible men and Women. No gender should therefore >> cry foul as if the posting targeted only the female gender. When the >> play "Vagina Monologues" was banned by Government was it not the >> highly rated female gender oriented NGO's and Civil societies led by >> highly qualified women who cried foul. Kefa, you exposed rot at >> beaches, you should not have apologized after all you put a rider >> akin to movies were some are rated as VS (violent and sex ..) you >> haven't insulted the Pope, the ArchBishop of Canterbury or the >> Supreme Mufti. You have exposed moral decadence and those who want to >> pretend that it is the first time they have seen such should as Jesus >> said be the first to hurl a stone on you.**** >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone**** >> >> >> On Jul 23, 2012, at 20:02, atibuni kefa <[email protected]> >> wrote:**** >> >> Dear all, **** >> >> Accept my sincere apologies for the terrible misnomer. My intent was >> not to split this nice electronic meeting table. I deeply regret the >> injury the posting tagged ?Botanical garden?? has caused. **** >> >> I thought I was only sending an alert to the huge West Nile community >> in Entebbe where those pictures were taken. They were not computer >> tricks as insinuated by some colleagues. I did make an innocent >> mistake. **** >> >> Dear Kiggs Kindly deregister me from the List serve so that folks can >> continue discussing development as usual. **** >> >> Kefa >> >> --- On *Mon, 7/23/12, leku joel <[email protected]>* wrote:**** >> >> >> From: leku joel <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] Fw: De-registration >> To: "A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile" >> <[email protected]> >> Date: Monday, July 23, 2012, 5:43 AM**** >> >> Members are getting de-registered,,,,,,,,,the nudity was regrettable >> on this forum **** >> >> ** ** >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From:* harriet alioru <[email protected]> >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Sent:* Monday, July 23, 2012 5:07 AM >> *Subject:* [WestNileNet] Fw: De-registration**** >> >> ** ** >> >> >> Please deregister me from this too.**** >> >> Thank you >> --- On *Mon, 9/12/11, Pamela Paparu <[email protected]>* >> wrote:** >> ** >> >> >> From: Pamela Paparu <[email protected]> >> Subject: [WestNileNet] De-registration >> To: "Westnile Foundation" <[email protected]> >> Date: Monday, September 12, 2011, 7:26 AM**** >> >> Dear Kiggundu, >> >> Please kindly de-register me. >> >> Regards.**** >> >> >> -----Inline Attachment Follows-----**** >> >> _______________________________________________ >> WestNileNet mailing list >> [email protected]<http://us.mc1260.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Wes >> [email protected]> http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet >> >> WestNileNet is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ >> >> All Archives can be found at >> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >> >> The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them >> (including attachments if any). 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