Eugene T.S. Wong wrote:

Less markup? How? Because you could write <big> rather than <div> and a style deceleration?

No, so you could write <CENTER> instead of <DIV CLASS="foo"> plus the modifications in your style sheet. That's hardly any savings, but it is cleaner code.

Substitute <big> for the more relevant <center> and my argument still holds. The code may have superficially cleaner syntax but you're mixing device-specific presentation with device-independent sematics, thereby creating a situation which is more complex conceptually.

I certainly disagree with Ian that /all/ non-semantic markup should be ditched

Okay.

Which Ian? I thought that I saw 2 "Ian"s.

Ian Hickson.

If you use <center> or <big> to markup headings, text that is often both large and centered, it prevents me from creating a useful navigational outline of your page.

I don't think that I once encouraged the use of <BIG> to markup headings. I'm opposed to it. I'm also opposed to using <CENTER> to markup headings. I'm very surprised that you said this. Maybe this is getting to personal. People obviously aren't listening.

You did, in fact, use <center> to markup a heading yourself, elsewhere in the thread (though, from your next message perhaps you have changed you mind about this now). I would also expect this paradigm to be pretty common on that part of the real web that still clings to HTML3.2 (but it's not like I have actual data or anything).

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