On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 20:07:52 -0000, Paul Waring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On 17/03/2008, Charles McCathieNevile <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Bad assumption - they don't read it out. They read what is put on the
screen. (Well, sort of - what they actually do is parse the DOM themselves
 quite often, as well). One reason for this is that a lot of authors put
 stuff there "for screen reader users" that just adds to the clutter on
their page - an easy mistake if you're not used to what screen readers are
 actually like to work with.

Ah, it would appear that screen readers have got a bit more advanced
since the last time I looked into them (which admittedly was some time
ago) - back then I think many of them still read out 'hidden' text.

Must have been a very long time ago. They generally haven't done that.

In my ideal world, people would actually implement the aural style, but I
 think we are the biggest implementation of that and we only do it on
 windows for the voice plugin :(

If there is already something which does this then, is there really a
need for a <noview> element?

I don't think introducing a new element will change anything, it will just complicate the things that we should be focusing attention on, so I don't think there is any need for such an element.

cheers

chaals

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