On Mar 2, 2010, at 2:41 AM, Markus Ernst wrote:
Ashley Sheridan schrieb:
On Tue, 2010-03-02 at 01:56 -0800, Maciej Stachowiak wrote:
On Mar 2, 2010, at 1:41 AM, Maciej Stachowiak wrote:
> 2) I do not believe the proposed rule is a good default for
either > documents or applications. It looks ugly. I randomly
checked 10 of > the sites I browse most often and I could not
find a single one that > explicitly added this rule for the
browsers that don't have it. > What's more, I could not find a
single one that retained it for > images. This rule is just a
vestigial artifact that Web developers > have to work around.
I partially take it back, news.google.com and images.google.com
deliberately add blue borders to image links. However they do not
use a default border (it's 1px instead of 2px for one thing).
- Maciej
I agree with David Baron on this. The majority of browsers render
images within links as having a border (which is the image
highlight equivalent of a text underline when you think about it in
context). Having some default expected behavior would be nice to
see in a spec, even if the majority of websites actually override
it. Having it in a spec will remain consistent with the older
browser implementations, and may serve as a guideline as to exactly
what should be expected.
Besides, like you say Maciej, most website devs override this rule
anyway, so it won't actually break anything, it would just clarify
what is already happening.
I assume that it would be desirable for a specified default to
reflect the most common case, unless there are serious BC issues.
The most common case seems to be images without borders.
I don't think there are serious compatibility issues. We've been
shipping this behavior in Safari since 2003. I searched all our bugs
mentioning images or borders (including closed bugs) and could not
find one mentioning this issue. Probably no one noticed because the
vast majority of Websites had already been overriding this behavior
for years.
I apologize for the case this is a stupid suggestion: Could the spec
say that the default for HTML5 is no border, but UAs are encouraged
to render linked images in documents with pre-HTML5 or no doctypes
with a border?
I don't think there is any evidence that this behavior is necessary or
desirable for pre-HTML5 documents.
Regards,
Maciej
