On Apr 7, 2011, at 8:11 AM, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote:

> I've also just added a section with the stats that the Adobe Flash
> player exposes.

Great. Perhaps Silverlight stats might be of use too - though they're fairly 
similar:

http://learn.iis.net/page.aspx/582/advanced-logging-for-iis-70---client-logging/

> Apart from the statistics that are not currently available from the
> HTML5 player, there are stats that are already available, such as
> currentSrc, currentTime, and all the events which can be turned into
> hooks for measurement.

Yes, the network and ready states are very useful to determine if clients are 
stalling for buffering etc.

> I think the page now has a lot of analysis of currently used stats -
> probably a sufficient amount. All the video publishing sites likely
> just use a subpart of the ones that Adobe Flash exposes in their
> analytics.

Especially all the separate A/V bytecounts are overkill IMO. 

One useful metric I didn't list for JW Player but is very nice is Flash's 
"isLive" property.

Kind regards,

Jeroen




> On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 4:52 AM, Mark Watson <[email protected]> wrote:
>> All,
>> 
>> I added some material to the wiki page based on our experience here at 
>> Netflix and based on the metrics defined in MPEG DASH for adaptive 
>> streaming. I'd love to here what people think.
>> 
>> Statistics about presentation/rendering seem to be covered, but what should 
>> also be considered are network performance statistics, which become 
>> increasingly difficult to collect from the server when sessions are making 
>> use of multiple servers, possibly across multiple CDNs.
>> 
>> Another aspect important for performance management is error reporting. Some 
>> thoughts on that on the page.
>> 
>> ...Mark
>> 
>> On Mar 31, 2011, at 7:07 PM, Robert O'Callahan wrote:
>> 
>>> On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Chris Pearce <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On 1/04/2011 12:22 p.m., Steve Lacey wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Chris - in the mozilla stats, I agree on the need for a frame count of
>>>>> frames that actually make it the the screen, but am interested in why we
>>>>> need both presented and painted? Wouldn't just a simple 'presented' (i.e.
>>>>> presented to the user) suffice?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> We distinguish between "painted" and "presented" so we have a measure of
>>>> the latency in our rendering pipeline. It's more for our benefit as browser
>>>> developers than for web developers.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Yeah, just to be clear, we don't necessarily think that everything in our
>>> stats API should be standardized. We should wait and see what authors
>>> actually use.
>>> 
>>> Rob
>>> --
>>> "Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for
>>> they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures
>>> every day to see if what Paul said was true." [Acts 17:11]
>>> 
>> 
>> 

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