On 5/2/12 11:46 AM, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis wrote:
On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 6:59 PM, Charles Pritchard<[email protected]> wrote:
If you do expect that, have you evaluated the existing mechanisms for
embedding custom data in the page and found them wanting? If so, how?
1. New features won't fix Google Translate bugs with existing
features, and it's more efficient for Google to fix Translate than for
the community to design, specify, and implement new features.
New features do allow services to coalesce around standards. That's what
the standards are here for.
HTML5 just added a translate attribute.
Span does not in and of itself signify any semantic meaning. Doesn't
that mean that Google Translate is operating correctly?
2, 3, and 4: Given an appropriate vocabulary, existing mechanisms can
encode unambiguous meanings, information about how text should be
spoken, and phrase and sentence boundaries. Unicode describes
character boundaries.
Boris brought up that the concept of letter could use some attention:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2011Nov/0055.html
Yes, we have existing XML mechanisms for text should be spoken.
What existing mechanism do we have for disambiguation?
5. Tab isn't talking about "data-" here, but about all the various
mechanisms available to provide custom data for services to consume
(e.g. microdata, microformats, RDFa).
Tab asked directly why data- does not work
Yes, we have a lot of microformats, it's true. And RDFa.
They don't seem to be taking flight for these issues, and language
translation seems like a high level issue appropriate for HTML. Again,
look at the translate and lang attributes; those are baked into HTML.
I am approaching the "lang-" proposal as language agnostic, much as
"aria-" is language agnostic.
This seems to be where we are currently:
<img lang="es" translate="no" alt="No" />
With alt having ARIA counterparts.
I'm suggesting a "lang-" with counterparts to translate, language code,
and a vastly enhanced vocabulary, much as ARIA vastly enhanced the UI
vocabulary. I think it could help in the long run.
-Charles
