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Thanks,
Jeffrey

On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 4:09 PM, Richard Maher <maher...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 9:30 AM, Roger Hågensen <rh_wha...@skuldwyrm.no<
> mailto:rh_wha...@skuldwyrm.no>> wrote:
>
> On 2017-03-27 05:50, Richard Maher wrote:
> Broadcast Messaging and Topic Based subscription is now available to your
> WebApp just like native Apps thanks to FCM.
>
> https://firebase.google.com/docs/cloud-messaging/js/send-multiple
>
> I am absolutely ecstatic about this, as we all should be, and equally
> grateful to FCM for having managed to bypass the recalcitrance and sheer
> bloody-mindedness of spec-authors to provide functionality that everyone
> outside the ivory-towers was begging for.
>
> I thought WhatWG was set up to challenge the delusional elite a la mode de
> HTML5? Why the silence?
>
> Maybe because this is a Google API and cloud service rather than a web
> standard added to Chrome, Firefox, Edge, Safari, Opera, Vivaldi etc? Unless
> I'm missing some important detail here!
>
> Yes it is a Google API. A browser agnostic Google API that runs on Chrome,
> Firefox, Samsung, soon to be Opera, and Edge. Anything that runs
> ServiceWorker and Push. While I would’ve preferred W3C/IETF to see the
> sense and requirement for Topic-based subscriptions and broadcast
> messaging, the Firebase API is from the same stable as other ubiquitous
> APIs such as Google Maps? Analytics? Google+ logon.
>
> Anyway rejoice and be glad as Native Apps have one less stick to beat us
> over the head with. And you Firefox fans are no longer stuck with Mozilla's
> third-rate AutoPush!
>
> I'm not aware of anything called autopush, is this another cloud API?
> Or do you mean https://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Web/API/Push_API ?
>
> See:  - https://mozilla-push-service.readthedocs.io/en/latest/
>
>
> Now if we can only get background geolocation with ServiceWorkers nothing
> can stop WebApps: -
> https://github.com/w3c/ServiceWorker/issues/745
>
> Considering I'm coding both native and "HTML5" based "apps" there is far
> more that needs to be improved.
> There is no way to reliably know how much LocalStorage or IndexDB space
> the web app has, trying to access or list files locally in a folder is not
> possible, something as simple as a editable soundboard can't be made if
> it's run locally (via file: protocol).
> While Xinput is supported, DirectInput is not and there is a lot of
> controllers out there that are not Xinput.
> Trying to save a file locally is a pain, you have to simulate a download.
> Loading a audio file manipulating it and saving it again is not the same as
> with a native app, instead you end up with a duplicate file in the download
> folder instead of the original files folder.
>
> If there is a requirement for Oracle 12G on a mobile phone and then I’m
> sure they will build it. In the meantime the fundamental
> service/retail-delivery shift that the world is currently experiencing is
> crying out for background geolocation Uber, Dominos, GrindR, Facebook,
> Deliveroo, Maps/Navigation and on and on.
>
> Please let WebApps compete with Native Apps!
>
> There is a difference between a Webapp that supports offline and a offline
> "HTML5" app.
>
> Using NWN.js and Electron turns it into a native app anyway, ideally one
> should not have to do this, at least not for "simple" apps.
> PS. The cognoscente are once more assembling on April 4-5 for a Japanese
> junket on ServiceWorkers to yet again wax bollocks on "offline first" :-(
>
> What is wrong with offline first? If you have a Ohms law calculator and
> your internet is down there is no reason why it should not still work if it
> was saved in the cache or even locally as a .html file and opened in the
> browser while the internet is down.
>
> If ifs and ands were pots and pans there’d be no worker for new age
> travelers.
>
> It's rare for the internet to be down for long periods of time, but
> usually it goes down wen it's the least convenient and not having apps
> break and still work is important in those cases.
>
> I don’t believe network reliability is an issue for the vast majority of
> the money-spending public.
>
> Please lobby the names that can be found in the hall of shame here: -
> https://github.com/w3c/ServiceWorker/issues/1053
>
> Hall of shame? It sounds like you have some form of personal agenda here.
>
> My agenda is to get Background Geolocation out there on Web Apps before it
> is too late. Service Worker extensibility seems ideal to me but I don't
> really care how it is done as long as it gets done.
>
> Cheers Richard
>

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