I don't think you are disagreeing because I agree with both of you. There's something in the Java water that just leads to overly abstracted software... I fall for it from time to time even though I'm getting better at seeing it.
Back on topic a bit, Jonathan, I looked at your database package and I like what you have there. I was wondering how you see EJB3 and Hibernate fitting together in your wicket-contrib-data package. Are you working with pre-3.0 Hibernate? My understanding is that the ejb3 version would have an EntityManager injected into the code by the container instead of the session object. Are you planning on creating a new wicket.contrib.database.ejb3 package or would this still be considered Hibernate? I guess in a nutshell, what I'm asking is, "If I want to make an annotated Hibernate 3/Ejb3 version of your database package, should I write a new package in the same structure as the one you wrote or is yours going to encompass that?" I just realized this is another thread that should probably be on the dev mailing list. -paul -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Locke Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 4:43 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Wicket-user] Hibernate/EJB3.0 nothing's perfect. i'm not talking about perfect. that's religion. i'm just talking about things where people bothered to work problems until the solution was not only workable but just reasonably good and simple. there are so very few things like this given the billions and billions and billions of dollars that have been pumped into software. Eelco Hillenius wrote: > I agree on the interface issue, but I also think you put it too strong > when you say it is just the fads that say this. Software engineering > is still an immature industry, so we have to look for right principles > and best practices to get us to the next step. The Abstract Class vs > Interface is pretty controversial (though again, I'm all on your > side), but having 'interface based design', can save you from designs > that aren't as good. I guess just as AOP can save you from less than > perfect designs. And lets be honest, a perfect design is really hard > to get, and Wicket surely is not perfect yet either. And OO as put in > Java is not nescesarily the end of the road either. > > Eelco > > > Jonathan Locke wrote: > >> >> thanks. it might not be complete yet, but i hope it's a good start >> at something simple. >> >> <rant scope="general"> >> this rant isn't in response to you or anyone on this list... i'm just >> venting.... >> >> one of the many reasons i'm so sick of software lately is that nobody >> ever takes the >> time to think things through. that's why we've got all these stupid >> industry fads >> and buzzwords and people naming classes "EntityBaseImplDelegate". >> >> there is a time and a place for abstraction and flexibility. >> everything should not >> be malleable. everything should not be named abstractly. EVERYTHING >> SHOULD >> NOT BE AN INTERFACE! is anyone out there listening to me!? and the >> latest >> buzzword should not be in every project. trying to blindly apply >> design patterns, >> interfaces and fancy abstractions is not always a sign of mature >> design. in fact, >> it's often quite the opposite! i'm reminded of this quote: > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies > from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, > informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to > speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477&alloc_id=16492&op=click > _______________________________________________ > Wicket-user mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user > ------------------------------------------------------- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477&alloc_id=16492&op=click _______________________________________________ Wicket-user mailing list [email protected] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user ------------------------------------------------------- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_idt77&alloc_id492&op=click _______________________________________________ Wicket-user mailing list [email protected] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wicket-user
