Michael Jouravlev wrote:
On 12/11/05, Andrew Lombardi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Programmers work in Java, Designers work in HTML, wicket follows the
separation of concerns fairly eloquently.
This is a wrong principle. Modern-day web programming is not a CGI
script + HTML 2.0. Web browsers are capable of Javascript, DOM, CSS,
XML parsing, XSLT and other stuff. Designers cannot do that. This is
programmers' job.
Let's say that designers and programmers must work as a team to fullfill
all those tasks you've mentioned. As I said in a previous email I don't
think that a programmer/developer should have anything to do with at
least HTML, css etc. That's the ideal case, the real one is when your
Java fellow knows as much HTML as he can tell you, the web designer,
what the markup he needs should look like so everything works as
expected. HTML + css makes things much easier in this respect. No matter
how much they try, a programmer/developer with no, or few knowledges of
graphic/creative design will not be able to produce a decent looking web
application. And because people do not know about, or tend to mix, or
even ignore these different skillsets, most of the web applications (
written in java or whatever) you'll see, look like s**t :-).
Never before web dev was so fun (and gore) as it in
last two-three years.
Well, if fun means complex, well, yes, you're right. I think, that's why
simple, well designed, specialized frameworks have so much success
lately and that's why almost nobody uses XML parsing + XSLT in the
browser :-P.
And it will get better. That is why I think that
JSF and such are very unflexible, they spit out predefined HTML,
sometimes not really pretty one, and they do not allow to use the full
power of modern client web development.
Michael.
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