>The typical designer is unable to produce even valid HTML, let alone
good HTML >with proper CSS.
Well designer typically use Dreamweaver or such.
So if the HTML/CSS is not good, blame that on on Micromedia
I usually get the designer to do an "initial template" in DW, and then i
"fix it", cleaning the html and CSS, and making the layout "logical",
then i just give them that back and they can use it to do all the pages
(though of course with JSF, JSP mess it's barely even doable to have
reusable templates IMO)
>This is what is going wrong in your company. You shouldn't let the
average >designer produce HTML. Have them produce their screens in
Photoshop, and let a >technical person build the HTML.
Well, we endup having to do that because of JSF, but that is not a good
process, besides converting from photoshop to HTML/CSS in a a text
editor, is very tedious.
My main concern though here is not so much for the initial site
development, but for the ongoing miantenance.
The cotent maintenance (text/images/layout) should preferably be
possible to do just by marketing/design people without involving
developers. for one developers can't speak marketing and vice-versa so
it's wasting time, and i think it's waste of resources having developers
do this.
But fact is with JSF, develoers have to be called for even the most
basic content layout changes since the designer just can't work with
that JSP mess.
>The other thing that is going wrong is that you are using JSF ;)
true :-) , it is was up to me .....
Timo Stamm wrote:
tcolar schrieb:
That one kills me:
> Patrick (WebWork):
> "I've found that "HTML/CSS developers" and "app developers" rarely
are >separated
>like Tapestry likes to pretend they are"
I could not disgree more with that, only geeks working on their ugly
homepage say this.
I agree with it, and while I am not sure whether I am a geek, I don't
even have a homepage.
I think there is a misunderstanding. Patrick doesn't claim that
/design/ and app development are done by one person. He claims that
HTML/CSS and app development are done by one person.
The typical designer is unable to produce even valid HTML, let alone
good HTML with proper CSS.
This is what is going wrong in your company. You shouldn't let the
average designer produce HTML. Have them produce their screens in
Photoshop, and let a technical person build the HTML.
The other thing that is going wrong is that you are using JSF ;)
Timo
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