Yes, it looks like SimpleOrm has similar objectives. You can't help but come to some of these same conclusions. Some of the solutions are amlost self-evident after working with, shall we say, "complex-orm" for long enough.
Nope, I've not read that book, but I'll put it on my list. :-) -geoff --- Martijn Dashorst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I understand your position... Shades is your hobby, > pet project and it > would be nice that people find it helpful. I think > there is a market > for it, as other people have come to the same > conclusion. > > At my company at least I and a collegue of mine are > very interested in > trying out http://www.simpleorm.org/ It seems like > this is very > similar to your proposition. Their goals are about > the same but they > took a different direction. > > The name 'Shades' is not a pun directed to 'The > Shades', from Terry > Pratchett's Discworld, would it? :) > > Martijn > > On 8/26/06, Geoff hendrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Sure - but honestly I don't want to convince > anyone > > they need Shades. > > > > One problem I found with JDO was that the > > PersistenceManager was not serializable. Another > is > > that detachment had to be handled explicitely. > > > > In Shades all pojo's are inherently detached. > Change > > tracking is automagic. The DatabaseSession is > > ultra-leightweight and totally appropriate for > keeping > > in a Session. > > > > A big innovation in Shades is how identity is > handled > > - that really solved a lot of problems for me > related > > to change of identity within transactions. > Identity is > > a much more fluid concept in Shades, due to the > > dynamic ORMapping interface, which you can even > > implement on the fly as an anonynmous inner class. > > > > To be clear, I found ways to make JDO work just > fine > > with Wicket. Certainly JDO was a huge step forward > in > > making it easier to use Pojo-based frameworks like > > Wicket. > > > > I blogged a bit on my motivation for Shades: > > http://notskateboarding.blogspot.com/ > > > > -geoff > > > > > > > > --- Igor Vaynberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > i glanced over the code - but i dont get it > after > > > the first glance. perhaps > > > you can explain what difficulties you hit when > using > > > wicket and an orm to > > > help us better understand. > > > > > > seems to me like you are trying to work with a > ui > > > connected to a persistence > > > layer - without a service layer in between. have > you > > > seen databinder which > > > glues wicket and hibernate together? > > > > > > also your point about wicket and tapestry - > wicket > > > is much more flexible > > > because it has IModel which gives you an extra > layer > > > of indirection that can > > > hide a lot of orm logic and make the code > > > cleaner/easier. > > > > > > -Igor > > > > > > > > > On 8/26/06, Geoff hendrey > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > I was one of the early users of Wicket before > 1.0. > > > I > > > > did a lot of work to use Wicket with my JDO > > > > implementation JDOMax (no longer supported). > In > > > the > > > > process I learned a lot about why it is harder > > > than it > > > > has to be to use many ORM frameworks with > Wicket > > > and > > > > Tapestry. > > > > > > > > I'm a member of JSR 243 Java Data Objects > Experts > > > > Group, and I advocated hard within that spec > for > > > the > > > > "fixing" of the JDO spec with regard to > > > > non-transaction-write behavior, along with > Eric > > > Samson > > > > and others. The JDO group was receptive, > having > > > > gotten similar feedback from Howard Lewis Ship > of > > > > Tapestry. I believe this change will benefit > > > Wicket > > > > users, and make it much easier to use JDO 2.0 > than > > > JDO > > > > 1.1, from Wicket. > > > > > > > > However, I still wasn't satisfied that it was > > > "easy" > > > > to do ORM from Wicket or Tapestry. So I > started a > > > new > > > > project, based on what I learned -- it's a > better > > > way > > > > to do ORM -- I call it Shades. Following the > > > wicket > > > > style,Shades works without any XML > configuration. > > > > > > > > Rather than make this any longer-winded, I > thought > > > I > > > > would just begin passing back some code, > showing > > > the > > > > Library sample application using Shades. The > > > attached > > > > zipfile is just the "library" folder from the > > > wicket > > > > sample applications. EditBook.java and > > > > LibrarySession.java have been altered to use > > > Shades > > > > for database access. LibraryORMDictionary.java > is > > > the > > > > only new file required. > > > > > > > > Please let me know what you think. Also, I do > not > > > have > > > > a website for Shades yet but I hope to find > the > > > right > > > > venue for open sourcing the code soon. (see > > > attached > > > > zip file 'library.zippo' with library-example > > > directory) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Using Tomcat but need to do more? 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