I'm waiting for someone to develop a wikipedia client for OS X that
uses core animation (and other frameworks) to animate changes in an
article over time.  There's a huge amount of potential on the client
side because Wikipedia, server side, is always concentrating on how to
make sure the doesn't go down; there's not enough money for frills.

On 7/30/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I really like this project. It's hard to understand the history of a text.
> It reminds me of manuscript analysis, like looking at palimpsets, etc.
>
> However, listening to your goals, it sounds like a difficult task. It will
> be very hard to stabilize your model of trustworthiness, since it is based
> on a some assumptions (e.g. what does someone read when they edit a page?)
> that are hard to nail down.
>
> As you are tuning your algorithms, you might take another approach to
> simplify matters. It's easier and could be more useful to visualize
> behaviour without trying to draw conclusions about what that behaviour
> might indicate. This is more powerful in many ways since your algorithm
> will never possess knowledge of the full social context that a given user
> will have. i.e. maybe a trusted user has gotten into a heated dispute and
> become erratic, and no longer trustworthy?
>
> A good summary of how to do social visualizations well is Erickson, 2003
> (cf. http://www.bibwiki.com/wiki/design?Erickson,+2003)
>
> These practices are for building a tool that can be used amongst the
> entire social group. If you're after a particular research question (i.e.
> how influential are trusted authors?), they don't apply as well.
>
> Cheers,
> Sunir
>
> > Dear Andre,
> >
> > let me say that the algorithms need tuning, so we are not sure we are
> > doing
> > the best, but here is the idea:
> >
> > When a user of reputation 10 (for example) edits the page, the text that
> > is
> > added only gets trust 6 or so.  It is not immediately considered high
> > trust,
> > because others have not yet had a chance to vet it.
> >
> > When a user of reputation 10 edits the page, the trust of the text already
> > on the page raises a bit (over several edits, it would approach 10).  This
> > models the fact that the user, by leaving the text there, gave an implicit
> > vote of assent.
> >
> > The combination of the two effects explains what you are seeing.
> > The goal is that even high-reputation authors can only lend part of their
> > reputation to the text they create; community vetting is still needed to
> > achieve high trust.
> >
> > Now as I say, we must still tune the various coefficients in the
> > algorithms
> > via a learning approach, and there is a bit more in the algorithm than i
> > describe above, but that's the rough idea.
> >
> > Another thing I am pondering is how much a reputation change should spill
> > over paragraph or bullet-point breaks.  I could change easily what I do,
> > but
> > I will first set up the optimization/learning - I want to have some
> > quantitative measure of how well the trust algo behaves.
> >
> > Thanks for your careful analysis of the results!
> >
> > Luca
> >
> > On 7/30/07, Andre Engels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> 2007/7/29, Luca de Alfaro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >>
> >> > We first analyze the whole English Wikipedia, computing the reputation
> >> of
> >> > each author at every point in time, so that we can answer questions
> >> like
> >> > "what was the reputation of author with id 453 at 5:32 pm of March 14,
> >> > 2006".  The reputation is computed according to the idea of
> >> content-driven
> >> > reputation.
> >> >
> >> > For new portions of text, the trust is equal to (a scaling function
> >> of)
> >> the
> >> > reputation of the text author.
> >> > Portions of text that were already present in the previous revision
> >> can
> >> gain
> >> > reputation when the page is revised by higher-reputation authors,
> >> especially
> >> > if those authors perform an edit in proximity of the portion of text.
> >> > Portions of text can also lose trust, if low-reputation authors edit
> >> in
> >> > their proximity.
> >> > All the algorithms are still very preliminary, and I must still apply
> >> a
> >> > rigorous learning approach to optimize the computation.
> >> > Please see the demo page for more details.
> >>
> >> One thing I find peculiar is that adding a text somewhere can lower
> >> the trust of the surrounding text while at the same thing heightening
> >> that of far away text. Why is that? See for example
> >>
> >> http://enwiki-trust.cse.ucsc.edu/index.php?title=Collation&diff=prev&oldid=102784135
> >> - trust:6 text is added between trust:8 text, causing the surrounding
> >> text to go down to trust:6 or even trust:5, but at the same time
> >> improving text elsewhere in the page from trust:8 to trust:9. Why
> >> would the author count as low-reputation for the direct environment,
> >> but high-reputation farther away?
> >>
> >> --
> >> Andre Engels, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> ICQ: 6260644  --  Skype: a_engels
> >>
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