Piotr, if you are interested in getting fresh figures about lifetime edit counts I recommend you register an account on the toolserver where you can run queries against the user table (which holds cumulative edit counts across all namespaces for a specific wiki). For namespace-specific counts you will need to use the revision table and that's much more time consuming.
On a related note, this real-time dashboard I just uploaded to the toolserver (representing account registrations and the fraction of new users clicking on the edit button or passing the 1 edit threshold ) could be of interest http://toolserver.org/~dartar/reg2/ Best Dario On May 10, 2012, at 10:57 AM, WereSpielChequers wrote: > Hi Piotr, > > You might make the assumption that the difference between 4 million and 16 > million is largely editors who never get out of userspace, my experience is > that such users are relatively rare, or at least won't dominate that 12 > million. > > I'm fairly sure that there will be a number of different groups in that 12 > million. Steve Walling, Aaron or Maryana may be able to help analyse or at > least explain them. > > Significant groups in the 12 million will definitely include: > > 1 People who registered an account and tried but never successfully saved an > edit because when they looked they saw a wall of code and they don't do html. > The WMF is investing a lot of money in WYSIWYG editing software in the hope > that this will enable goodfaith but not very technical people to edit > Wikipedia. > > 2 Vandals since 2007. We have edit filters that are trying to dissuade > vandals from saving their first edit because it triggers one of our tests > for probably being vandalism. These filters only came in during the last few > years and have been improved over time - so they are deterring a significant > proportion of recent badfaith editors from ever saving an edit. > > 3 Visitors from other wikis. One of the features of Single User Login is that > if you are logged in and you click on a link that takes you to another > wikimedia wiki, your account becomes active at that wiki even if you never go > near the edit button. My account is active on 92 wikis and I've edited in > rather less than half of them. I won't go into all the reasons why one might > visit other wikis, but if you see that an article you've written has > equivalents in several other languages I consider it human nature to click on > the links and look at the article. Even if you don't use Google translate, > the choice of image and the size of the paragraphs is often enough to tell > you whether someone has translated your work or started afresh. > > 4 Editors whose articles have been deleted. About a quarter of new editors > start by creating a new article rather than by editing existing articles. A > large majority of such articles get deleted and their authors depart. If the > 4 million is only measured on surviving edits to article space then there > will be many hundreds of thousands whose only article space edits have been > deleted. > > 5 Zombie accounts. We now have programs that prevent people opening accounts > that are overly similar to the names of existing editors, but before these > filters came in many editors would protect themselves from such impersonation > by creating such "zombie accounts" themselves and marking their userpage > with a link to their main account. > > 6 Edit conflicts. Breaking news stories attract editors like moths to flames, > our article on Sarah Palin peaked at 25 edits per minute at one point during > the day she became John McCain's running mate (I don't think anyone logs the > number of edit conflicts). If you are a newbie trying to edit a trending > article by using that edit button on the top of the page then you are > guaranteed to get frustrated and leave. The regulars have learned that busy > pages are best edited one section at a time, and on a very busy page there > simply isn't time to edit the whole page before a section edit is saved. Of > course that could be easily resolved by disabling whole page editing on busy > pages, but I'm not expecting that anytime soon. > > Another issue is that I believe that the 4 million are people who have one > undeleted edit to mainspace on the English Wikipedia since December 2004. If > so the 16 million may include those who haven't edited since December 2004. > > I'm probably missing a few other variables, I'm afraid this is a complex > area, but I hope this gives you an idea of the problem. > > WSC > > > > On 10 May 2012 16:35, Piotr Konieczny <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks for the link. The figure 4,058,477 you cite (from > http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediaEN.htm#editdistribution), as you > note, comes with the warning that "Only article edits are counted, not edits > on discussion pages, etc". I assume this is why the magic word NUMBEROFUSERS > at en Wikipedia returns 16,763,691 (numerous low activity editors apparently > make their few edits outside article mainspace). > > The breakdown I could live with, for a while, but the fact that this stat > covers only about a quarter of registered accounts is a problem. Is anybody > familiar with a way to achieve a breakdown of all named accounts with 1+ edit > (for English Wikipedia), no matter which namespace they edited? Preferably > with more flexible ranges than the ones in that table? > > In other words, the linked page provides "Distribution of article [namespace] > edits over registered editors", whereas I am interested in "Distribution of > [all] namespaces edits over registered editors". > -- > Piotr Konieczny > > "To be defeated and not submit, is victory; to be victorious and rest on > one's laurels, is defeat." --Józef Pilsudski > > On 5/10/2012 4:49 AM, WereSpielChequers wrote: >> >> I'm not sure that we have exactly what your asking for. >> >> For example we have the figure of 4,058,477 but that is for registered >> accounts on the English Wikipedia that have made at least one edit to an >> article. Different language versions of Wikipedia are also available, but of >> course registered accounts doesn't exactly tally with Wikipedians not least >> because IP editors are excluded. Also I believe that early edits - pre 2004 >> may not be available and I suspect that deleted edits may not be counted. >> >> That said we have further stats of 1,614,938 registered accounts with >= 3 >> article edits and 772,557 >=10 >> >> So http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediaEN.htm#editdistribution is >> well worth looking at, but they break at 32 and 100 not 50 which may be a >> problem for you. >> >> Hope that helps >> >> WSC >> >> On 9 May 2012 23:42, Piotr Konieczny <[email protected]> wrote: >> I was looking at official stats, but I seem to be unable to find out an >> answer to the following question: >> * how many of Wikipedia editors have X edits (or fall within a range of >> edits) >> To be more precise, I am curious how many Wikipedians have: >> * exactly 1 edit >> * between 2-9 edits >> * between 10-50 edits >> I know that the total number of registered accounts is reported at >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedians >> >> Can anybody direct me to the right page/counter that would allow me to >> obtain the above information? I hope it is obtainable without having to >> download the dump... >> >> Incidentally, if anybody has those numbers, in addition to replying here >> feel free to add the information and/or source the one present at >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedians >> >> Thanks, >> >> -- >> Piotr Konieczny >> PhD Candidate >> Dept of Sociology >> Uni of Pittsburgh >> >> http://pittsburgh.academia.edu/PiotrKonieczny/ >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Piotrus >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wiki-research-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wiki-research-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l > > > _______________________________________________ > Wiki-research-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l
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