Could you give an example of what we could do better than CLDR or the relevant ISO standards?
On 18 May 2014 10:06, h <hant...@gmail.com> wrote: > Dear Nemo, > > As I am waiting for a more complete response, I am not sure that I > understand your last "No" as in "No, we definitely can't" means. To > clarify, take the CLDR supplement Language-Territory information for > example > > http://www.unicode.org/cldr/charts/latest/supplemental/language_territory_information.html > > One can suggest additions of the data point by submitting sourced > numbers for a geo-linguistic population like this: > http://unicode.org/cldr/trac/newticket?&description=%3Cterritory%2c%20speaker%20population%20in%20territory%2c%20and%20references%3E&summary=Add%20territory%20to%20Traditional%20Chinese%20(zh_Hant) > > In Wikipedia articles and Wikidata pages, there are many attempts to > provide more updated and better sourced data points. I see the potentials > in exchanging such data, curating them better in Wikidata projects as more > detailed and dynamic source than the CLDR. > > These data points will have extra benefits in curating traffic data. > For one, these geo-linguistic population data points would be useful to > normalize traffic data for further analysis, such as geographic > normalization. For another, they provide important reference data for the > development strategies and policies of the Wikipedia projects. > > Best, > han-teng liao > > > > > > 2014-05-18 16:23 GMT+08:00 Federico Leva (Nemo) <nemow...@gmail.com>: > > Thanks for your suggestions. Just some quick pointers below. >> >> h, 18/05/2014 08:26: >> >>> (I-A). Tabulate the data points in absolute numbers first, not >>> percentage numbers [...] >>> >>> (I-B). Include all language versions for the *editing traffic* report as >>> well. [...] >>> >>> (I-C). Provide static data objects in more accessible format (i.e. csv >>> and/or json). [...] >>> >>> (II-A). Putting viewing traffic and editing traffic report on the same >>> page. [...] >>> >>> (II-B). Organizing and archiving the traffic reports for historical >>> comparison. [...] >>> >>> (I-C). Provide dynamic data objects in more accessible format (i.e. csv >>> and/or json). >>> >> >> At least the first four are "just" changes in the WikiStats reports >> formatting, personally I encourage you to submit patches: < >> https://git.wikimedia.org/summary/analytics%2Fwikistats.git> (should be >> the "squids" directory, but there is some ongoing refactoring of the repos). >> >> On archives and "history rewriting"/reports regeneration, see also >> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46198 >> >> [...] (III-B). Smaller (i.e more specific) geographic aggregate units. >>> >>> The country (geographic) information is often based on geo-IP databases, >>> and sometimes provincial and city-level data would be available. >>> >> >> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2014-April/075964.html >> >> [...] >>> >>> >>> ( I know that the Unicode Common Locale Data Repository (CLDR Version 25 >>> <http://cldr.unicode.org/index/downloads/cldr-25>) >>> provides“language-territory” >>> <http://www.unicode.org/cldr/charts/latest/supplemental/ >>> language_territory_information.html>or >>> “territory-language” >>> <http://www.unicode.org/cldr/charts/latest/supplemental/ >>> territory_language_information.html>unit-based >>> >>> charts, but I believe that the Wikimedia projects can use and build one >>> better..) [...] >>> >> >> No, we definitely can't, not alone. I've asked for help, please >> contribute: <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Universal_Language_ >> Selector/FAQ#How_does_Universal_Language_Selector_ >> determine_which_languages_I_may_understand>. >> >> >> Nemo >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wiki-research-l mailing list >> Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wiki-research-l mailing list > Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l > > -- Oliver Keyes Research Analyst Wikimedia Foundation
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