Flagged revisions is different though, as it requires "trusted" editors to flag things as approved. I am simply advocating the ability to save drafts visible only to oneself before "publishing" a change. WordPress, Blogger, etc have it. And so newcomers could edit to their heart content, without triggering the interest of editors and the consequent conflicts, then save their changes.
Luca On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 5:15 PM, Scott Hale <[email protected]> wrote: > On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 5:14 AM, Luca de Alfaro <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Better merging would be welcome. But also less aggressive >> editing/policing. >> >> When I edit openstreetmap I have a better overall experience: the edits >> may or may not go live immediately, but I don't have the impression that >> there is someone aggressively vetting/refining my edits while I am still >> doing them. I feel welcome there. >> >> To make Wikipedia more welcoming, we could do a few things. >> >> We could allow users to save drafts. In this way, people could work for >> a while at their own pace, and then publish the changes. Currently, saving >> is the only way to avoid risking losing changes, but it has the very >> undesired effect of inviting editors/vetters to the page before one is >> really done. >> >> We could also allow a time window (even 30 minutes) before edits went >> live after one is done editing (using above Ajax mechanism to track when >> editor open), experienced editors would not need to swoop in quite so fast >> on the work of new users, and the whole editing atmosphere would be more >> relaxed and welcoming. >> >> The fact is that the Wikipedia editor, with its lack of ability to save >> drafts, poor merging, and swooping editors, feels incredibly outdated and >> unwelcoming - downright aggressive - to anyone used to WordPress / Google >> Docs / Blogger / ... >> >> Luca >> >> > > The technology exists to do this---[[:en:Wikipedia:Flagged_revisions]]. > The challenge is that many existing users don't want flagged revisions on > by default. > > And that is the fundamental flaw with this whole email thread. The > question needing to be answered isn't "what increases new user retention". > The real question is "what increases new user retention and is acceptable > to the most active/helpful existing users". The second question is much > harder than the first. > > > > >
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