hi dariusz, > the current methods are far from perfect.
in your opinion, in which respect do they need to be improved? has anyone published on that, or are there any "non-published" links available? best, Claudia [email protected] Meine GPG-Key-ID: DDD21523 - mehr dazu: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Privacy_Guard ---------- Original Message ----------- From:Dariusz Jemielniak <[email protected]> To:Research into Wikimedia content and communities <wiki-research- [email protected]> Sent:Mon, 16 Feb 2015 14:58:56 +0100 Subject:Re: [Wiki-research-l] a cautious note on gender stats Re: Fwd: [Gendergap] Wikipedia readers > hi there, > > thanks for the quote :) I totally agree with you > that a lot of data we have is outdated, and that > there are way too many generalizations about > Wikipedia relying only on en-wiki. As Aaron and > Mako pointed out in their paper (referred to by > Jeremy), there needs to be more approaches to our > estimations of gender gap, and the current methods > are far from perfect. As far as I recall, they did > a follow-up on this topic, and maybe a publication > coming up? > > best, > > dariusz > > On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 11:50 AM, > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hi Jeremy, thank you for this pointer, > > > > hi all, > > can anyone explain to me why data from 2008 are re-used in quantitative > > studies of this kind? (instead of asking new questions, for example, and > > also > > changing the framework in which the data were created) > > > > another issue seems to be that, while Wikipedia exists in a host of > > languages, > > statistical news are rarely accompanied by qualifiers as to which language > > version (community) the data were created in/from. > > my guess on this issue is that "results" re enWP may be quite different > > from > > results re, say, bgWP or hiWP, because genders relate to one another > > differently and collaborative writing on the web may have a differently > > gendered status in different communities, etc. > > > > the same caveat would be due as to yesterday's "the gender of Wikipedia > > readers" question that this thread started with, > > > > best, > > Claudia > > [email protected] > > > > ---------- Original Message ----------- > > From:Jeremy Foote <[email protected]> > > To:Research into Wikimedia content and communities <wiki-research- > > [email protected]> > > Sent:Sat, 14 Feb 2015 22:12:41 -0600 > > Subject:Re: [Wiki-research-l] a cautious note on gender stats Re: Fwd: > > [Gendergap] Wikipedia readers > > > > > Mako Hill and Aaron Shaw wrote a paper which > > > combined a 2008 WMF survey with Pew Research to > > > try to find a less biased estimation of the Wikipedia > > > gender gap. Their paper is titled "The Wikipedia > > > Gender Gap Revisited: Characterizing Survey > > > Response Bias with Propensity Score Estimation", > > > and is at > > > http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article? > > id=10.1371/journal.pone.0065782#pone-0065782-t002 . > > > > > > It's not a perfect fit for eliminating the bias to > > > participate in editor surveys, but it's a step > > > toward a more realistic value for the gender gap > > > (although it's still pretty bleak - with only 16% > > > of gobal editors estimated to be female). > > > > > > Best, > > > Jeremy > > > > > > On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 11:42 AM, Gerard Meijssen > > <[email protected] > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hoi, > > > > What year are we living ? > > > > Thanks, > > > > GerardM > > > > > > > > On 14 February 2015 at 17:24, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > >> my2cents re figures on percentages (... in a gender binary paradigm), > > > >> well... > > > >> > > > >> I'd suggest to take into account User:Pundit's thoughtful > > considerations, > > > >> > > > >> author of: Jemielniak, Dariusz (2014), Common knowledge? An > > ethnography > > > >> of Wikipedia, Stanford University Press, pp. 14-15 > > > >> > > > >> Dariusz Jemielniak writes: > > > >> "According to Wikipedia Editors Study, published in 2011, 91 percent > > of > > > >> all Wikipedia editors are male ([reference to a study of 2011] This > > figure > > > >> may not be accurate, since it is based on a voluntary online survey > > > >> advertised to 31,699 registered users and resulting on 5,073 complete > > and > > > >> valid responses [...] it is possible that male editors are more > > likely to > > > >> respond than female editors. Similarly, a study of self-declarations > > of > > > >> gender showing only 16 percent are female editors (Lam et al. 2011) > > may be > > > >> distorted, since more females may choose not to reveal their gender in > > a > > > >> community perceived as male dominated." > > > >> > > > >> additionally, asserting status and flaunting seniority (also described > > > >> by Jemielniak at the end of the paragraph previous to the one quoted > > above) > > > >> is generally perceived to be a commonly employed trick to resist any > > > >> changes; > > > >> > > > >> and, last but not least, one might argue that the group perceived as > > > >> "in power" might feel to find strongly unbalanced outcomes most > > rewarding, > > > >> and hence might tend to publish them as widely as possible and not > > least > > > >> quote from them persistently, too... > > > >> > > > >> any rebuttals from stats experts here? > > > >> > > > >> best, > > > >> Claudia > > > >> [email protected] > > > >> My GPG-Key-ID: DDD21523 > > > >> > > > >> ---------- Original Message ----------- > > > >> From:Jane Darnell <[email protected]> > > > >> To:Research into Wikimedia content and communities <wiki- research- > > > >> [email protected]> > > > >> Sent:Sat, 14 Feb 2015 10:49:29 +0100 > > > >> Subject:[Wiki-research-l] Fwd: [Gendergap] Wikipedia readers > > > >> > > > >> > Forwarding here in case anyone has information > > > >> > that could benefit Yana > > > >> > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > > >> > From: Jane Darnell <[email protected]> > > > >> > Date: Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 9:44 AM > > > >> > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Wikipedia readers > > > >> > To: "Addressing gender equity and exploring ways > > > >> > to increase the participation of women within > > > >> > Wikimedia projects." < [email protected]> > > > >> > > > > >> > In 2013 the Dutch Wikimedia chapter hired an > > > >> > external party to conduct a survey and the results > > > >> > (translated to English) are here: > > > >> > > > >> > > https://nl.wikimedia.org/wiki/Bestand:Motivaction_report_translation_v02.pd > > > >> f > > > >> > > > > >> > The study was split into two parts; one on the > > > >> > contributors and one on the "users", aka readers. > > > >> > Users were 50/50 male female (page 51), > > > >> > contributors were 88% male, 6% female, and 6% > > > >> > would not say (page 26) > > > >> > > > > >> > On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 8:11 AM, Yana Welinder > > > >> > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > > > > >> > > Hi all, > > > >> > > > > > >> > > What are some good studies of the gender of Wikipedia readers? > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Thanks, > > > >> > > Yana > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > > >> > > Gendergap mailing list > > > >> > > [email protected] > > > >> > > To manage your subscription preferences, including > > unsubscribing, > > > >> please > > > >> > > visit: > > > >> > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > > >> > > > > > >> ------- End of Original Message ------- > > > >> > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > >> Wiki-research-l mailing list > > > >> [email protected] > > > >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wiki-research-l mailing list > > > > [email protected] > > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l > > > > > > > > > > ------- End of Original Message ------- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wiki-research-l mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l > > > > -- > > __________________________ > prof. dr hab. Dariusz Jemielniak > kierownik katedry Zarządzania Międzynarodowego > i centrum badawczego CROW > Akademia Leona Koźmińskiego > http://www.crow.alk.edu.pl > > członek Akademii Młodych Uczonych Polskiej > Akademii Nauk członek Komitetu Polityki Naukowej MNiSW > > Wyszła pierwsza na świecie etnografia Wikipedii > "Common Knowledge? An Ethnography of Wikipedia" > (2014, Stanford University Press) mojego autorstwa > http://www.sup.org/book.cgi?id=24010 > > Recenzje > Forbes: http://www.forbes.com/fdc/welcome_mjx.shtml > Pacific Standard: > http://www.psmag.com/navigation/books-and- > culture/killed-wikipedia-93777/ Motherboard: > http://motherboard.vice.com/read/an-ethnography-of- > wikipedia The Wikipedian: > http://thewikipedian.net/2014/10/10/dariusz- > jemielniak-common-knowledge ------- End of Original Message ------- _______________________________________________ Wiki-research-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l
