Much of this comes down to how you define “management”, “organizations”, and 
“self”.

Once you allow for structures, roles (hierarchical or network based), locally 
developed and enforced rules and practices, policed boundaries, and other 
things included in most realistic self-managed groups then really the only 
difference between self-managed organizations and “traditional” ones is one of 
timeframe.  If you look on a small timeframe management always looked “imposed” 
and if you look on a longer timeframe all social systems are “self-organizing" 
(since at least to this point there have been no non-humans that have come into 
the world to do it for/to us).

All of this is to say that, yes Wikipedia and wikipedia teams can learn a great 
deal from other organizations (and can teach other organizations a lot).
(This is one of the big reasons that Wikipedia research is valuable beyond the 
Wikipedia community).

Brian B.

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Brian S. Butler, Ph.D.
Professor and Interim Dean, UMD iSchool
University of Maryland
College Park, MD  USA
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 on behalf of Kerry Raymond 
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I’ve been part of teams that could probably be described as self-managing. If 
you have the right mix of skills in people with the right attitude, things can 
go really well without any kind of “management process” because everyone is 
always thinking and talking about what’s coming up, what problems we’ve still 
got to solve,  all the time, and everyone trusts one another. If teams have the 
ability to do their own recruitment (whether internal/external), then you are 
more likely to get that outcome as they want the new people they are bringing 
on board and those people want to be in the team. However, in most 
organisations in the name of “productivity”, it is more common to see teams 
formed by some arbitrary manager (not part of the team) on the basis of “who’s 
available and has a vaguely relevant set of skills” and whether or not that 
team “gels” is a matter of luck. Having been given teams in those kind of 
circumstances, I know that some of them may well be the folks “moved on” from 
another team who saw the chance to get rid of a problem person.

I am sure there are “topics” or “projects” within Wikipedia which are 
self-managing because, through luck, the folks attracted to them do have the 
right skills and the right attitude. But I think it unlikely Wikipedia as a 
whole could be self-managing in this way. With respect to volunteers, we have 
no carrots to ensure we attract the right skills and we have very little 
ability to prevent the entry of those with a “bad attitude”.

Increasingly organisations that have a large volunteer group now do very 
pro-active volunteer management. People who go along to volunteer are often 
taken aback to find there is a selection process to be taken on and that, being 
taken on, involves committing to a regular roster or a minimum time commitment 
each month to remain a volunteer. Some organisations even do performance 
reviews on their volunteers. It’s fair to say that some of the wannabe 
volunteers get quite offended by this, especially if they get turned down or 
dropped.

Why don’t we have a set of training and quizzes to allow editors to gain 
“competency certificates” on Wikipedia (in addition to certain levels of 
experience at certain tasks – have created X new articles, rather than simple 
edit counts) ? Then we could limit things like becoming an admin, or 
participating in certain kinds of discussions e.g. AfD to those with certain 
competencies. Similarly, if we could have articles graded for quality (and now 
we have the automated means, this may be more reliable than in the past), then 
we could restrict the editing of the FAs and GAs to those with high levels of 
competency and allow editing of lower quality articles by people with 
correspondingly fewer competencies. If you don’t have the necessary 
competencies, you can write on the Talk page and request your changes (which 
would be implemented by people with higher competencies). But if it’s a stub, 
hey, anyone’s OK to have a go.  Maybe only someone with the referencing 
competency could add or remove {{refimprove }} tags etc. Just thinking aloud …

Kerry

From: Wiki-research-l [mailto:[email protected]] On 
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Subject: [Wiki-research-l] "Self-management" management philosophy and Wikipedia

This article reminds me a lot of how Wikipedia and its sister projects work 
ideally:

http://www.self-managementinstitute.org/misperceptions-of-self-management
Of course we have some problems, some of them very thorny problems for which we 
have yet to find long-term solutions. Perhaps by looking at the experience of 
other orgs who are operating with similar philosophies, we can derive solutions.

Pine
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