Hi Denny, thanks for the questions! 1) The time unit is article revision (namespace 0). This means that in your example, the article would be available at T2 and T4. Adding the pages also at T1 or T3 would mean to regenerate all the pages that include the article, and the resulting dataset would be significantly larger than the current 7 TB. If there is a specific need to have the complete history at such a level of granularity, the code could be adapted to store every possible change.
2) No, we used only the Wikitext available in the static XML dump. The date match is applied to templates and LUA modules. Regarding the UI message strings, if you are referring to Mediawiki interface labels, consider that we included only the content of the article as if you retrieved the page with the parameter *action=render* 3) Thank you for these pointers. I confirm that WikiPDA can be seen and a downloadable version of Memento with the bonus to have the templates matched at the time of revision creation. On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 12:32 AM Denny Vrandečić <[email protected]> wrote: > Three questions: > > 1) assume a page P with a Template T. > > P has been modified at time T2 and T4. > T has been modified at T1 and T3. > > Will P be available as of T2 and T4 only, or also as of T3? (at which point > it will be different than at T2 or T4). > > > 2) What about changes to Wikidata, Commons, or UI message strings? > > > 3) Possibly interesting to look into TimeMachine, Memento, and related work > > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TimeMachine > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Memento > > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 2:59 PM Tiziano Piccardi <[email protected] > > > wrote: > > > Thanks Federico and WSC for the interest! > > > > I want to specify that we used only public data released in the XML dump. > > As WSC said, deleted content is not always permanently removed from the > > database, but it is available only to users with privilege access. Our > goal > > is not only to release the dataset, but also to give anyone the > > possibility to (1) reproduce the results, and (2) generate the HTML > history > > in other languages without any special access requirements. > > > > Tiziano > > > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 9:47 PM WereSpielChequers < > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I wouldn't use the phrase "Wikipedia’s deliberate policy of permanently > > > deleting the > > > entire history of deleted pages". Quite a few "deleted" pages do > actually > > > get restored, and depending on the deletion process it can be quite > easy > > to > > > get much deleted content back. Especially if someone volunteers to > > > reference an unreferenced page or a budding footballer actually gets to > > > play at professional or international level, or indeed a political > > > candidate is elected. Almost all "deleted" content still exists and > could > > > be restored by a volunteer admin in the right circumstances. However > > > Wikipedia's deletion processes are more than a little complex, many > > > articles have incomplete histories because admins have revision deleted > > > particular revisions that include copyright violations and or some > really > > > libellous stuff. Some of the really nasty stuff gets "oversighted" - > > those > > > revisions are not even visible to administrators. > > > > > > There is also the issue that some of the earliest material is not > > > available. stats on admin actions only go back to December 2004, and > > while > > > there is some content from before then, I am not sure if all the stuff > > > deleted before then is available. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > WSC > > > > > > On Fri, 11 Sep 2020 at 10:22, Federico Leva (Nemo) <[email protected] > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Robert West, 11/09/20 11:29: > > > > > local instances of MediaWiki, > > > > > enhanced with the capacity of correct historical macro expansion. > > > > > > > > Interesting. I see this doesn't include deleted templates. Have you > > > > considered using historical dumps? > > > > > > > > «We emphasize that the limitation of deleted pages, tem- plates, and > > > > modules is not introduced by our parsing process. Rather, it is > > > > inherited from Wikipedia’s deliberate policy of permanently deleting > > the > > > > entire history of deleted pages.» > > > > > > > > A relevant task is > > > > https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T2851 > > > > > > > > See also the various discussions about Memento, like > > > > https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T164654 > > > > > > > > Federico > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wiki-research-l mailing list > > > > [email protected] > > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wiki-research-l mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wiki-research-l mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l > > > _______________________________________________ > Wiki-research-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l > _______________________________________________ Wiki-research-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l
