Dear all, thank you very much for your help, its been submitted. Best
John On Tue, 28 Nov 2023 at 13:39, Jane Darnell <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi John & Leila, > I recall German Wikipedia made a bid for unesco heritage a while ago > (before Wikidata in any case). Maybe they have some lessons learned? > Here in the Netherlands the oldest museum (Teylers) made a bid for unesco > heritage and stated their mission (of 1784) was the same as Wikipedia’s. > That bid got rejected but we never did a lessons-learned on it. > > Jane > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Nov 27, 2023, at 10:59 PM, Leila Zia <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Hi John, > > > > Thank you for your continued work to elevate the importance of Wikipedia > in > > different circles. > > > > Some early thoughts and questions below: > > > >> On Tue, Nov 14, 2023 at 3:51 AM john cummings <[email protected] > > > >> wrote: > >> > >> Dear all > >> > >> I'd really appreciate some advice on an application for Wikipedia to be > >> considered for a very prestigious international heritage recognition. > >> Myself and a few others previously applied and got to the final stages > of > >> the process, however we were rejected on the following points. If anyone > >> has any suggestions or papers which might help answer these issues I'd > >> really appreciate it. I have a number of arguments prepared but I would > >> really appreciate any thoughts, feel free to include them in this email > >> list, or just email me them separately. The first point is the one I > feel > >> needs the most rebuttal. > >> > >> 1. Although it is acknowledged Wikipedia is a phenomenal idea, it was > >> not clear how it could be defined as ‘heritage’ at this stage of its > >> evolution. > >> > > > > What is the technical definition of "heritage" in this particular > context? > > (That may help us come up with relevant talking points.) > > > > > >> 2. Wikipedia's dynamic nature and the unpredictability of the nature > of > >> the content generated. > >> > > > > Looking at this question, question 1, 4, 5, and 6: I wonder if the place > > you're speaking to requires some level of stability or a static nature in > > the project/theme that they want to call heritage. If something has to be > > relatively static to be called a heritage, I wonder if you can consider a > > different framing altogether: instead of pitching Wikipedia as a > heritage, > > you may want to consider pitching the model of global governance of > > knowledge Wikipedia has introduced and operates based on as a heritage. > > (Basically: the formula is the heritage, not the content itself.) If you > > make this switch, then you have concrete elements and some potential > claims > > to make: > > * Wikipedia has revolutionized the way knowledge gets curated and created > > in many parts of the world. (You can talk about knowledge by a few to > 100s > > of thousands of editors contributing to knowledge.) > > Wikipedia is not naive and while it welcomes everyone to share in the sum > > of all knowledge, the project has thought-through content policies and > > mechanisms to enable scalable knowledge curation/creation and > maintenance: > > * Wikipedia:Verifiability > > * Wikipedia:Neutral Point of View > > * Wikipedia:Consensus > > * Transparency (through revision history) > > * Talk pages > > ... > > > > Happy to think through this with you more if you have follow-ups. (note: > > I'm slow in responding to emails. If this is something that has a > deadline > > in the near future and you want to follow-up on something that I > mentioned > > above immediately: feel free to schedule one of my public office hours. > [1] > > otherwise here is great.) > > > > Best, > > Leila > > > > > > [1] > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Research/Office_hours#Schedule > > > > > > -- > > Leila Zia > > Head of Research > > Wikimedia Foundation > > _______________________________________________ > > Wiki-research-l mailing list -- [email protected] > > To unsubscribe send an email to > [email protected] > _______________________________________________ Wiki-research-l mailing list -- [email protected] To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected]
