It also isn't a very good idea not to reload the sidebar and tabs. The Toolbox in the sidebar is always dependent on what page you are on. It will list user contributions if in the user area of an existent area. Permanent links to a page, etc... Then there's the tabs. Each page has it's own set of tabs. The Special tab for Special pages always has the same link you are currently on, each article has the article, talk, and various edit, watch, delete, and protect tabs. And these all change depending on what access the user has, what level of protection the page has, and if the user has the page in their watchlist or not. Another issue with removing the page load from happening is with User scripts. I add a User tabmenu when I'm in a userspace to give me a few useful tools. As well as a number of other things, some of these are dependent on what is on the page and therefore will not load right if the page load is eliminated. And the last issue is with site JS... If you remove the page load... You remove the ability to use Collapsible tables, the Show/Hide NavFrame, Table Sorting, and the new TabView extension one of the techs nicely put together from YUI. ^_^ And now... you have 85% of Wikia staring at you with murderous faces because you broke 90% of their fancy features and ability to customize their own experience...
~Daniel Friesen(Dantman) of The Gaiapedia, Wikia Graphical Entertainment Project, and Wiki-Tools.com Jesús Martínez wrote: > Client-side content processing is a really BAD idea. If JavaScript is > broken, the user has disabled it or the browser doesn't support it the > page would be unusable. And remember that the google/msn/etc spider's > also doesn't understand javascript, so they won't index any page of > the wiki, and this is something undesirable, isn't it? :) > > And these are only problems about processing JavaScript. The main > problem would be processing the wiki code... templates, > parserfunctions.... > > The servers were created to do this job :) Each page doesn't need to > be processed every time thanks to the cache servers, except for > logged-in users, that need special buttons and some changes to the > interface, and it could be avoided if these changes were made using > Ajax (only after detect that the browser effectively support this) > > About the sidebar, my suggestion is to make the entire sidebar > collapsible, but there's no reply yet on this: > <http://inside.wikia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=103> > > Best regards. > > Jesús - [[User:Ciencia Al Poder]] > > > 2007/9/14, Nethac DIU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> ** GMAIL PAGE CRASHED IN THE MOMENT OF SENDING THE MAIL, SO IT'S POSSIBLE IT >> APPEARS FRAGMENTED. I'M SENDING IT AGAIN TO AVOID THAT HAPPENING. IF THE >> PREVIOUS MAIL ENDED WITH "Sincerely, Nethac DIU" THEN YOU HAVE RECEIVED IT >> CORRECTLY, BUT PLEASE, SCROLL DOWN TO THE END TO SEE AN UPDATE ** >> >> Hello, I wanted to write here a pair of ideas I published time ago about >> traffic, and also a comment about the new skin. Opinnions will be >> apreciated, thanks! >> >> About traffic: do you think it's a good idea to add a JavaScript mode that >> only downloads the content of the page? Something like, instead of >> downloading all the menu again (links to new article, recent changes and >> such) download only the code of the article (using the already installed >> trick action=raw) and after this would be interpeted in the personal >> computer, so it would save work to the servers, specially time, but also a >> bit in data sent. >> >> About that idea people commented that probably it would be slower due to >> some problem with cachés (honestly I didn't understand that comment, I know >> what are cachés, but don't know where is the problem) and with nested >> templates, but one of them said I could comment it at wikitech anyways. As I >> didn't know about that list and hadn't this e-mail account, I didn't >> comment, but now I remembered it and I am posting it here. Hope it is a >> correct place too. >> >> The new idea is that action=raw can be applied to special pages too. It can >> be useful for monitoring bots (or there is already a system for that?) >> >> And concerning to the skin, if I'm not wrong someone posted that it would >> look better if it was more compact and left more space to the actual page, >> like grouping all the links to the right in only one column. If there is a >> votation about that, I will vote yes. But that wasn't the important thing... >> today I noticed that if the text is very long and cannot be wrapped by lack >> of spaces, it will overflow the page and go onto the links. That problem >> already happened with pre tags, but it wasn't so problematic since the skin >> was Monobook and the links were at the left, it only made the page wider. >> >> An example can be seen at >> http://factualnonsense.wikia.com/index.php?title=Rolling_your_head_on_the_keyboard_page.&oldid=2678 >> >> I know that case is excepcional, but anyways something should be done about >> that. There may be problems with serious content. >> >> And that's all. Maybe I'm just oversizing it all and posting ideas that will >> be impractical, but I wanted to know opinnions and if it would truly be >> impractical. Sincerely, Nethac DIU. >> >> UPDATE: I forgot... they also said me that there was already a project for >> that, but only working for Firefox and requiring it to upload with the rest >> of the PHP files... it was at http://wikiwyg.org/wysi but apparently it got >> deleted, now it looks like a server for sell... >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikia-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Wikia-l mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l > > _______________________________________________ Wikia-l mailing list [email protected] http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l
