https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17963


Roan Kattouw <[email protected]> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
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             Status|NEW                         |RESOLVED
         Resolution|                            |WONTFIX




--- Comment #5 from Roan Kattouw <[email protected]>  2009-03-17 22:10:18 
UTC ---
(In reply to comment #4)
> > It does deal with them by showing "view source" tabs instead of edit tabs 
> > above
> > a protected page,
> 
> Let's talk about when the talk page doesn't exist.
> You give them a red link inviting them to go edit a talk page that
> doesn't exist and they have no permission to edit.
> 
That'd confuse people, because they expect the talk tab to be there. When the
talk tab is just gone, it's far from obvious that that's because the talk page
doesn't exist and can't be created by the user.

> You don't give them a link to delete a page that they don't have any
> permission to delete,
True, delete tabs are hidden for users without delete rights, and move tabs are
hidden on move-protected pages. Still, these are different: move and delete are
actions, the article/talk tabs are for navigation.

> so why then give them a talk link that they will
> totally regret clicking?
> 
"totally regret" is kind of hyperbolic: seeing a page that says you're not
allowed to create the talk page and then clicking Back to get back to where you
were is not a big deal. Also, I believe the principle of least surprise applies
here: showing a link that leads to an error message is less confusing than not
showing the link at all when people expect it to be there.

> > That means not showing the tabs at all (a suggestion you repeat below), 
> > which
> > is pretty confusing, especially for the article/talk tab.
> 
> At least don't give them a "bait and switch" talk tab.
> 
Then what do you suggest? You either show the tab or you don't, and not showing
it is the more confusing option.

Closing this bug as WONTFIX, since it requests something that'll harm rather
than improve usability.


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