https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40329

--- Comment #19 from TMg <[email protected]> 2012-09-24 16:24:22 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #18)
> two users on different browsers may see two different things

What are you talking about? This is not true. In the previous Wikipedia setup
with HTML5 disabled all users got the same HTML output and it looked the same
in all web browsers. Now this is broken. It does *not* look the same when a
template is tested locally for example. The hack creates a *different* result
when the finished code is finally put into a template. The hack *changes* the
*meaning* of the code no matter if these attributes were used for a reason or
not. This is confusing as hell. It makes creating templates a mess (not that it
isn't a mess anyway).

None of your examples ever changed the *meaning* of some code, not even the ID
example.

> You just contradicted yourself. You just said that you were ok with align
> being removed from the whitelist. Yet that breaks things.

I will try to speak very slow: Either remove all align attributes (drop it from
the whitelist) or let them pass through (keep it whitelisted). In other words,
either break *everything* or *nothing*. The current hack breaks some *random*
stuff. This is not only confusing, it's completely unnecessary because every
web browser is able to handle the align attributes well. You are replicating
something that clearly is the responsibility of the web browser.

> While fixing an issue that doesn't look broken when you look at
> it is really hard.

Again, this must be a joke. That's exactly the problem of the current hack. It
makes broken code *not* look broken. It does not fix anything. It does not help
people to fix their outdated template code. It does the *opposite*. It's a
stupid counterproductive hack. All it does is adding confusion and breaking
some random templates for no good reason.

> It's still a valid point that translations still work in most situations

Again, *not* translating this worked in *all* situations till last week. You
can't say all the templates we developed in the past years are broken. They are
*not*. They were tested in all browsers. Nothing was broken till you started to
change our code.

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