https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40890

--- Comment #7 from Rainer Rillke @commons.wikimedia <[email protected]> 
2012-10-09 17:19:58 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #4)
> something more friendly and less commanding
I don't command anything. Either it is fixed or I will disable it. I just told
it because I think it's nice if you know about it, in case you want to
reproduce this issue at Commons.

> It's hard to fix bugs that are unknown.
Isn't it the job of you paid developers to create software that doesn't cause
more harm than it helps? So why do you often don't test your software in the
real world? It simply sucks that you demand unit tests, statistics etc. from
volunteers but produce software that causes reproducable serious issues in one
major browser.

(In reply to comment #5)
>JavaScript issues in Internet Explorer are notoriously hard to debug.
Yes they are but this is no excuse for throwing out Internet Explorer users.
You can use Microsoft Script Editor (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Script_Editor ); it allows you setting
breakpoints to exactly the position you like, inspecting variables etc. There
is even a video by our well known JavaScript expert Crockford about debuggers.
In IE 8, there are developer tools for free and they are there by default.

>It's pretty concerning that Rainer is writing a wall of text with threats here,
>without even providing details like Windows version or Internet Explorer
>version.
If you would have read the bug title, you would know it's about Internet
Exporer 8. It is on Windows XP. I am pretty sure you can also use Windows 2003
to reproduce it. I am not inclined doing *your work* testing this on all
Internet Explorer versions > 6 and concluding consequences.

I am tired of the characteristic having you paid developers to convince that a
problem exists (e.g. "provide *actionable profiling data*"). It is a minimal
effort trying to reproduce it under Vista and Windows XP (if it is your
argument that you did not know which OS to use). Simply *do it* without
"concerning" about my "wall of text with threats" here. 
If you permit me this simile: It's like if I would sell you fizzies instead of
orodispersible tablets and demand you to prove it by measuring/quantifying the
C02 released in your mouth.

The problem-symptoms were described on-wiki more than one time at different
places and different times. I never saw one of you responding there. It was not
hard to run into this bug.

Use your software to see whether it is usable. 
If you would be interested in fixing and finding bugs, you would actually use
Wikimedia live sites with different browsers and different settings regularly
instead of swearing on your unit tests or inventing other excuses.

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